Dueling Fundraisers. - The Ludington Torch2024-03-28T10:42:10Zhttp://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/forum/topics/dueling-fundraisers?commentId=4689834%3AComment%3A342568&feed=yes&xn_auth=noOne thing is for sure, if thi…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-03-20:4689834:Comment:3425902017-03-20T20:57:17.966ZAQUAMANhttp://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/AQUAMAN
<p>One thing is for sure, if this goes thru and there is any kind of fire-pit, it will only be open from Memorial to Labor Day, just like everything else geared toward the tourists....lol. After that, look for most of this stuff to be tarped and shut down, so locals can't participate in it at all.</p>
<p>One thing is for sure, if this goes thru and there is any kind of fire-pit, it will only be open from Memorial to Labor Day, just like everything else geared toward the tourists....lol. After that, look for most of this stuff to be tarped and shut down, so locals can't participate in it at all.</p> "The plans include a seating…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-03-20:4689834:Comment:3428072017-03-20T20:44:35.361ZXLFDhttp://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/TheLudingtonCitizen
<p>"The plans include a seating area with a fire-pit to reflect Ludington’s Native American beginnings..."</p>
<p>Funny, I don't remember native Americans installing gas lines to their 'outdoor gas fireplaces' as shown in the diagram. Nevertheless, I doubt whether they will encourage Ludington's homeless into going downtown in the cold months by allowing mere citizens to be able to turn the gas on, even at a big markup.</p>
<p>"The plans include a seating area with a fire-pit to reflect Ludington’s Native American beginnings..."</p>
<p>Funny, I don't remember native Americans installing gas lines to their 'outdoor gas fireplaces' as shown in the diagram. Nevertheless, I doubt whether they will encourage Ludington's homeless into going downtown in the cold months by allowing mere citizens to be able to turn the gas on, even at a big markup.</p> Maybe there will be a real s…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-03-19:4689834:Comment:3428052017-03-19T20:44:19.915Zshinblindhttp://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/shinblind
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<p>Maybe there will be a real small ice rink for Legace Park and they plan on having a mini Zamboni to keep the ice pristine. Would be a good off season occupation for beach patrol cop.</p>
<p>Perhaps they plan on funding the Park by installing a meter device on the gas log fireplace/fire pit. Could be like a cheap Magic Fingers bed shaker, 5 minutes for $0.50. Local arsonists could keep the fires burning 24/7. Of course would also require monitoring 24/7 by the LFD. </p>
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<p>Maybe there will be a real small ice rink for Legace Park and they plan on having a mini Zamboni to keep the ice pristine. Would be a good off season occupation for beach patrol cop.</p>
<p>Perhaps they plan on funding the Park by installing a meter device on the gas log fireplace/fire pit. Could be like a cheap Magic Fingers bed shaker, 5 minutes for $0.50. Local arsonists could keep the fires burning 24/7. Of course would also require monitoring 24/7 by the LFD. </p> The DDA has quite a lot of fu…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-03-19:4689834:Comment:3427332017-03-19T18:49:48.889ZXLFDhttp://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/TheLudingtonCitizen
<p>The DDA has quite a lot of funds ($170,000 more or less) to go through each year in order to revive the downtown, so the wanted renovations is likely enough to bust an annual budget that has renovated parking lots and the plaza area before with less money at its disposal. Your observation is well-founded.</p>
<p>In truth, however, I am still at a loss for why they are planning on calling this Legace Park, if they aren't putting in an ice rink. Manny Legace was a quality goaltender when he…</p>
<p>The DDA has quite a lot of funds ($170,000 more or less) to go through each year in order to revive the downtown, so the wanted renovations is likely enough to bust an annual budget that has renovated parking lots and the plaza area before with less money at its disposal. Your observation is well-founded.</p>
<p>In truth, however, I am still at a loss for why they are planning on calling this Legace Park, if they aren't putting in an ice rink. Manny Legace was a quality goaltender when he played for the Detroit Red Wings, but he was the perennial back-up goaltender to Osgood, Hasek, and Cujo. Wouldn't this upset all of these quality goaltenders' fans, as well as all of our misguided visitors who follow the Blackhawks?</p> What I find interesting and…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-03-19:4689834:Comment:3424002017-03-19T14:02:48.562Zshinblindhttp://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/shinblind
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<p>What I find interesting and lost in all of this is that The Downtown developers were discussing transgendering James Street Plaza into Legacy Park for years among themselves, yet they haven't released an estimate of the cost.</p>
<p>Are the usual suspects embarrassed by how much it will cost that they have to have a fund raiser with no price tag?</p>
<p>Also if they are going to position the clock where it's visibility is limited to a parking lot and side street why not just move it…</p>
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<p>What I find interesting and lost in all of this is that The Downtown developers were discussing transgendering James Street Plaza into Legacy Park for years among themselves, yet they haven't released an estimate of the cost.</p>
<p>Are the usual suspects embarrassed by how much it will cost that they have to have a fund raiser with no price tag?</p>
<p>Also if they are going to position the clock where it's visibility is limited to a parking lot and side street why not just move it and the donation bricks by the gazebo and cut out the middleman. As a matter of fact this area by the gazebo can then become a memorial area to Ludington's failed hopes and dreams.</p> The plan calls for a represen…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-03-19:4689834:Comment:3423882017-03-19T01:40:56.663ZWillyhttp://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/willy
<p>The plan calls for a representation of the Native American, lumber and maritime era's of Ludington. I hope the Native American era includes how they were screwed out of their land which was then clear cut by the lumber industry. That's like having a display showing the Jewish people followed by a positive showcase about the Nazis wonderful contributions.</p>
<p>The plan calls for a representation of the Native American, lumber and maritime era's of Ludington. I hope the Native American era includes how they were screwed out of their land which was then clear cut by the lumber industry. That's like having a display showing the Jewish people followed by a positive showcase about the Nazis wonderful contributions.</p> Begnoche without his 'ego' wo…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-03-18:4689834:Comment:3425682017-03-18T22:55:19.963ZXLFDhttp://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/TheLudingtonCitizen
<p>Begnoche without his 'ego' would have just been Bnche (think about it). </p>
<p>That ego apparently overstated his importance in my information quests, as I had never talked or contacted Steve Begnoche until after I was well involved with FOIA requests. Steve, his successor, and Scottville Commissioner of Propaganda Rob Alway rely on the official City/County/police press release as their version of the total truth and don't seem to know how to conduct a journalistic investigation or…</p>
<p>Begnoche without his 'ego' would have just been Bnche (think about it). </p>
<p>That ego apparently overstated his importance in my information quests, as I had never talked or contacted Steve Begnoche until after I was well involved with FOIA requests. Steve, his successor, and Scottville Commissioner of Propaganda Rob Alway rely on the official City/County/police press release as their version of the total truth and don't seem to know how to conduct a journalistic investigation or conduct themselves with integrity. Sad, or sick, state of affairs.</p> I tried to talk to Begnoche a…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-03-18:4689834:Comment:3425602017-03-18T10:03:14.374ZAQUAMANhttp://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/AQUAMAN
<p>I tried to talk to Begnoche about 10 years ago on you X, and the "Swamp of Ludington" as we still know it today. He was from San Antonio, and didn't think much of us locals and our small town, as he was such a "know it all from the big city" types. I was lucky to get in a few sentences in about a 45 minute period of him ranting on about himself and his ego. He was mad, MAD AS HELL, that he told you how to make a FOIA request, and thought you abused that right. That is still the mentality…</p>
<p>I tried to talk to Begnoche about 10 years ago on you X, and the "Swamp of Ludington" as we still know it today. He was from San Antonio, and didn't think much of us locals and our small town, as he was such a "know it all from the big city" types. I was lucky to get in a few sentences in about a 45 minute period of him ranting on about himself and his ego. He was mad, MAD AS HELL, that he told you how to make a FOIA request, and thought you abused that right. That is still the mentality with Patti Klevorn today at the LDN. Also talked to Steve Miller at WMOM and he also has the mentality that, per Johnny Shay III, you have "no credibility". It's more of a personal thing imho of what is real, and what isn't. They are NOT JOURNALISTS in the creative and common sense of the word, just Hackers that live to destroy and side with the crooked politicians in power, that help pay their own salaries, with advertising. Sad, and sick to the bone imho.</p> I welcome the local media try…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-03-18:4689834:Comment:3425592017-03-18T04:29:48.662ZXLFDhttp://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/TheLudingtonCitizen
<p>I welcome the local media trying to refute me, but I hear they often try to and fail to do anything other than verify my own findings, so they've given up for the most part. Why they don't join the side fighting the good fight? Just look at how the mainstream media is treating a president who is trying to drain the Washington swamp. The snakes and mosquitos of the media want the swamp to remain, it's their livelihood.</p>
<p>Don't even get me started on fire pits. I wanted a simple…</p>
<p>I welcome the local media trying to refute me, but I hear they often try to and fail to do anything other than verify my own findings, so they've given up for the most part. Why they don't join the side fighting the good fight? Just look at how the mainstream media is treating a president who is trying to drain the Washington swamp. The snakes and mosquitos of the media want the swamp to remain, it's their livelihood.</p>
<p>Don't even get me started on fire pits. I wanted a simple campfire get-together campaign event down at the beach in the off-season, I would have handled all the set-up and clean-up, no fire-spread issues, gave the city two months notice, and Shay and crew effectively denied me the chance. </p> How they gonna have a legal f…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-03-18:4689834:Comment:3425552017-03-18T02:08:02.201ZAQUAMANhttp://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/AQUAMAN
<p>How they gonna have a legal fire-pit right in the middle of downtown? What fuel? How big? Enclosed? It's been a city ordinance for over 20 years that outlawed any open outside fires in the city limits. Oh yeah, go down and spend $49/pp for a sandwich and 30 ozs. of draft beer as your donation....lol.</p>
<p>How they gonna have a legal fire-pit right in the middle of downtown? What fuel? How big? Enclosed? It's been a city ordinance for over 20 years that outlawed any open outside fires in the city limits. Oh yeah, go down and spend $49/pp for a sandwich and 30 ozs. of draft beer as your donation....lol.</p>