Officer dies in Fatal crash - The Ludington Torch2024-03-28T23:56:07Zhttp://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/forum/topics/officer-dies-in-fatal-crash?feed=yes&xn_auth=noAll MSP had to say was we los…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-05-13:4689834:Comment:3450132017-05-13T20:52:29.466ZJohn Doe Jrhttp://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/JohnnotdeadStreeter
<p>All MSP had to say was we lost an Officer today' As soon as the investigation is concluded we will release the findings. There are no dangerous people to worry about, or any details at this time to relay. The Public would then not focus on the lies that the MSP stated. The public is not stupid and should not be treated as such. You work for US! Accountability and transparency is what we demand.</p>
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<p>All MSP had to say was we lost an Officer today' As soon as the investigation is concluded we will release the findings. There are no dangerous people to worry about, or any details at this time to relay. The Public would then not focus on the lies that the MSP stated. The public is not stupid and should not be treated as such. You work for US! Accountability and transparency is what we demand.</p>
<p></p> If this were any other person…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-05-13:4689834:Comment:3449542017-05-13T20:42:23.852ZJohn Doe Jrhttp://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/JohnnotdeadStreeter
<p>If this were any other person I would still want to know what happened. MSP is the ones who gave the media the immediate speed statement. I agree with Stump's No braking ... If you look at the I-94/ I69 freeway shooter last year, the MSP did not tell anyone for over six months about the MULTIPLE shootings at drivers on those freeways. The Public's lives were at risk for six months before the word got out on social media and then MSP finally made a comment. Many people could have died. This…</p>
<p>If this were any other person I would still want to know what happened. MSP is the ones who gave the media the immediate speed statement. I agree with Stump's No braking ... If you look at the I-94/ I69 freeway shooter last year, the MSP did not tell anyone for over six months about the MULTIPLE shootings at drivers on those freeways. The Public's lives were at risk for six months before the word got out on social media and then MSP finally made a comment. Many people could have died. This is the second officer traffic fatality in a week, so YES, I want answers! I guess if the MSP didn't lie from the beginning I would say, Ohh, this is what happened...Pray for the family at this time and see what we as a community can do to prevent this from occurring again.</p> To me it is odd that all this…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-05-13:4689834:Comment:3446782017-05-13T14:26:01.802Zstumphttp://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/stump
<p>To me it is odd that all this came out in a report immediately. Usually takes months or not at all. It makes me wonder what are they trying to cover up. </p>
<p>To me it is odd that all this came out in a report immediately. Usually takes months or not at all. It makes me wonder what are they trying to cover up. </p> Sure it matters. It matters i…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-05-13:4689834:Comment:3446762017-05-13T13:36:08.804ZJohn Doe Jrhttp://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/JohnnotdeadStreeter
<p>Sure it matters. It matters in many important ways. First of all the truth!</p>
<p>Was he at fault? Was this an accident? Was it his own hands in this crash? </p>
<p>There are questions which need the truth for a reason.</p>
<p>The Truth leads to discussion and discussion leads to healing! </p>
<p> Yes, it matters. What else could be involved in this case beyond him and his death?</p>
<p>Are their victims? Would they matter?</p>
<p>The investigation will continue even as they lay this…</p>
<p>Sure it matters. It matters in many important ways. First of all the truth!</p>
<p>Was he at fault? Was this an accident? Was it his own hands in this crash? </p>
<p>There are questions which need the truth for a reason.</p>
<p>The Truth leads to discussion and discussion leads to healing! </p>
<p> Yes, it matters. What else could be involved in this case beyond him and his death?</p>
<p>Are their victims? Would they matter?</p>
<p>The investigation will continue even as they lay this man to rest, as it should.</p>
<p>Truth is not what makes an event like this tragic. Truth is what closes the wounds.</p> No doubt. The public deserves…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-05-13:4689834:Comment:3448502017-05-13T13:26:26.667ZJohn Doe Jrhttp://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/JohnnotdeadStreeter
<p>No doubt. The public deserves the facts and evidence. If this was the case the Public should not be held accountable. Let the Blues Brothers foot the bill and pay for his families expenses.</p>
<p>No doubt. The public deserves the facts and evidence. If this was the case the Public should not be held accountable. Let the Blues Brothers foot the bill and pay for his families expenses.</p> Looking to the left of the dr…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-05-13:4689834:Comment:3445802017-05-13T04:51:31.049Zstumphttp://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/stump
<p>Looking to the left of the dry pavement, the tire tracks go straight into the tree. No visible grass disturbance from braking or steering away from it. Big trees do no move. Hitting a solid structure at 35 will do a lot of damage especially a round tree or poll. Sorry for the families loss but I would think it might have been done on purpose. Inner family , financial or troubles at his work. Wouldn't be the first time a cop killed himself.</p>
<p>Looking to the left of the dry pavement, the tire tracks go straight into the tree. No visible grass disturbance from braking or steering away from it. Big trees do no move. Hitting a solid structure at 35 will do a lot of damage especially a round tree or poll. Sorry for the families loss but I would think it might have been done on purpose. Inner family , financial or troubles at his work. Wouldn't be the first time a cop killed himself.</p> Even if he had a spontaneous…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-05-13:4689834:Comment:3450112017-05-13T04:38:58.559ZJohn Doe Jrhttp://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/JohnnotdeadStreeter
<p>Even if he had a spontaneous health issue and immediately decided to head for help, or saw something and took off after it, or dropped something and jammed his foot on the accelerator and crashed. It makes no sense to state his speed in this crash was not a factor. It was and it possibly killed him. We'll see what the autopsy says. Maybe he had a heart attack, got scared tried to rush for help and crashed. Still, speed was a factor. It doesn't place blame for his speed, it just makes it a…</p>
<p>Even if he had a spontaneous health issue and immediately decided to head for help, or saw something and took off after it, or dropped something and jammed his foot on the accelerator and crashed. It makes no sense to state his speed in this crash was not a factor. It was and it possibly killed him. We'll see what the autopsy says. Maybe he had a heart attack, got scared tried to rush for help and crashed. Still, speed was a factor. It doesn't place blame for his speed, it just makes it a factor. Sure, any loss of life is tragic. But, why this happened needs to be investigated and should be transparent.</p>
<p></p> In the pic above, you see th…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-05-13:4689834:Comment:3450082017-05-13T03:52:45.049ZXLFDhttp://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/TheLudingtonCitizen
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<p>In the pic above, you see the closest speed limit sign when you're heading south going towards the intersection of Henry and Ross, if you're heading north this is the closest: </p>
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<p>If his vehicle was going 46 mph at the time of…</p>
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<p>In the pic above, you see the closest speed limit sign when you're heading south going towards the intersection of Henry and Ross, if you're heading north this is the closest: </p>
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<p>If his vehicle was going 46 mph at the time of impact 145 ft. away from the road, after whatever attempt of braking, speed was an issue. If he wasn't in some sort of emergency call, he effectively was engaged in dangerous horseplay when he destroyed an expensive piece of equipment that was on loan from the taxpayers. It's unfortunate that the MSP cannot even admit that there was a speeding problem at work, because it calls into question whatever findings they end up with, and I hope they release the crash data to journalists, because you know they won't voluntarily do so. </p>
<p>It's a terrible legacy to leave behind when his career seems to be spotless up until then. Condolences to those who knew and loved him.</p> The MSP stated the officer wa…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-05-13:4689834:Comment:3450072017-05-13T03:09:09.430ZJohn Doe Jrhttp://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/JohnnotdeadStreeter
<p>The MSP stated the officer was not on a call. The speed limit was 35. Had he been going the speed limit he could have avoided any animal to cross his path. He was most definitely hauling ass to cause that much damage to the under body. Why, we don't know yet. But, MSP sure is putting a squash on the facts.</p>
<p>The MSP stated the officer was not on a call. The speed limit was 35. Had he been going the speed limit he could have avoided any animal to cross his path. He was most definitely hauling ass to cause that much damage to the under body. Why, we don't know yet. But, MSP sure is putting a squash on the facts.</p> I feel for his family. He pro…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-05-13:4689834:Comment:3445772017-05-13T00:30:35.363ZWillyhttp://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/willy
<p>I feel for his family. He probably swerved to miss a deer. Even tho he's trained not to swerve it's just a normal reaction and when done quickly it's hard to compensate for the over reaction.</p>
<p>I feel for his family. He probably swerved to miss a deer. Even tho he's trained not to swerve it's just a normal reaction and when done quickly it's hard to compensate for the over reaction.</p>