Police Say Yield, I Say Stop - The Ludington Torch2024-03-28T14:11:23Zhttp://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/forum/topics/police-say-yield-i-say-stop?commentId=4689834%3AComment%3A342434&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThis bill is about to be sign…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2018-04-13:4689834:Comment:3573302018-04-13T21:16:52.380ZXLFDhttp://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/TheLudingtonCitizen
<p>This bill is about to be signed into law. <a href="http://www.wilx.com/content/news/Bill-clarifying-what-drivers-do-when-traffic-light-is-out-heading-to-governor-479547643.html" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Inoperable stoplights default to four way stops</a>. Thanks for another good law that likely wouldn't be needed if our crazy MSP didn't adopt a senseless alternative that makes little sense.</p>
<p>Did the legislature catch the last paragraph of this <strong>Ludington Torch…</strong></p>
<p>This bill is about to be signed into law. <a href="http://www.wilx.com/content/news/Bill-clarifying-what-drivers-do-when-traffic-light-is-out-heading-to-governor-479547643.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Inoperable stoplights default to four way stops</a>. Thanks for another good law that likely wouldn't be needed if our crazy MSP didn't adopt a senseless alternative that makes little sense.</p>
<p>Did the legislature catch the last paragraph of this <strong>Ludington Torch</strong> article a year ago ("...it is imperative that our state legislators clarify the rules of what to do at a stoplight when the power is down.") in the creation of this sensible policy? If so, they're not admitting it.</p> The legislature is out to cla…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-12-11:4689834:Comment:3538192017-12-11T14:14:37.418ZXLFDhttp://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/TheLudingtonCitizen
<p>The legislature is out to clarify the proper way of treating a defective stoplight and their finding is: <a href="http://fox17online.com/2017/12/07/legislation-to-clear-up-confusing-traffic-law-moves-forward/?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_content=5a2a39a204d301645a2b4929&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook" rel="noopener" target="_blank">treat the intersection as a four way stop</a>. </p>
<p>LANSING, Mich. – Many drivers in Michigan think that when you…</p>
<p>The legislature is out to clarify the proper way of treating a defective stoplight and their finding is: <a href="http://fox17online.com/2017/12/07/legislation-to-clear-up-confusing-traffic-law-moves-forward/?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_content=5a2a39a204d301645a2b4929&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook" target="_blank" rel="noopener">treat the intersection as a four way stop</a>. </p>
<p>LANSING, Mich. – Many drivers in Michigan think that when you come to a traffic light that’s out, it's treated as a 4-way-stop. But according to the law, that’s not true.<br/>“We have this convoluted, confusing old law that says yield to the car to the right,” says Republican Senator Rick Jones. It’s a traffic law most people don’t even know about.<br/>“Why don’t we make this common sense?" says Jones. "Why don’t we simplify it and make it the way that people already think that it is and simply treat it as a 4 way stop?”<br/>Jones is behind a bill which passed the state Senate on Wednesday. He says <strong>Michigan State Police and AAA is behind the bill</strong>...</p>
<p>The same MSP which was defining the law into saying something that it never did: Four way yields. Nonsense, that's insanity and not in the law as it currently is written, not in any other state law or the Uniform Traffic Code. We have to clarify it further so the Michigan State Gestapo gets it right. These bozos are the same guys that want you to take very fallible drug tests when you upset them on a traffic stop. </p> You bring up a great point th…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-03-31:4689834:Comment:3431312017-03-31T23:10:48.504ZXLFDhttp://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/TheLudingtonCitizen
<p>You bring up a great point that I missed, Guido: how do you know that any of the other three directions are seeing a dark stoplight like you? Yield or stop, it should be easy to judge who was at fault for an accident, so I don't think it will affect most lawsuits, just add up to more accidents.</p>
<p>You bring up a great point that I missed, Guido: how do you know that any of the other three directions are seeing a dark stoplight like you? Yield or stop, it should be easy to judge who was at fault for an accident, so I don't think it will affect most lawsuits, just add up to more accidents.</p> Growing up in Michigan, I rem…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-03-31:4689834:Comment:3431282017-03-31T21:04:12.991ZGuidothesemipsuedocaptitalistpighttp://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/RickRawlings
<p>Growing up in Michigan, I remember being taught and being asked by my testing officer this question. He expected to hear you come to a complete stop and practice normal 4 way stop right of way rules. This does make sense, as how would anyone know if the other set of lights did not have a normal light showing? Your asking an a lot of the other guy to be psychic and guess the same of your side. It would save a lot of law suits I would think?</p>
<p>Growing up in Michigan, I remember being taught and being asked by my testing officer this question. He expected to hear you come to a complete stop and practice normal 4 way stop right of way rules. This does make sense, as how would anyone know if the other set of lights did not have a normal light showing? Your asking an a lot of the other guy to be psychic and guess the same of your side. It would save a lot of law suits I would think?</p> The following populous and/…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-03-14:4689834:Comment:3425172017-03-14T17:14:23.219ZXLFDhttp://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/TheLudingtonCitizen
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<p>The following populous and/or nearby states agree with you and I: <a href="https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pubs/hdbk/traff_lgts_sgns" target="_blank">California</a>, <a href="https://www.coursehero.com/file/15382122/Module4Notesdocx/" target="_blank">Illinois</a>, <a href="https://www.indianadriver.com/course-area/index2.php?tid=15&course=4hour" target="_blank">Indiana</a>, <a href="http://driverlicenseprep.com/tests/US/WI/Wisconsin-Traffic-Signal-and-Sign-Test-4/textMode" target="_blank">Wisconsin,</a> (practice test shown above), <a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1494183852?profile=original" target="_self"></a><a href="http://driverlicenseprep.com/tests/US/OH/Ohio-Traffic-Signal-and-Sign-Test-4/textMode" target="_blank">Ohio</a>, (practice test shown below). In fact, I searched for a state that may treat it like what our state leaders are trying to push, but could find no other state that did. This is one clear time when listening to Michigan authorities could endanger your life, especially if you travel to other states and believe they are operating the same way with dark signal lights.</p>
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<p>It only makes sense that when traffic lights are out that the most stringent control would apply. Since each set of lights have green, yellow and red then the red light being the most controlling would apply. What the authorities are saying is that the yellow light requirements should take precedent over the green and red lights. </p>
<p>It only makes sense that when traffic lights are out that the most stringent control would apply. Since each set of lights have green, yellow and red then the red light being the most controlling would apply. What the authorities are saying is that the yellow light requirements should take precedent over the green and red lights. </p>