Antisocial Tendencies of Social Districts - The Ludington Torch2024-03-29T15:23:11Zhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/forum/topics/antisocial-tendencies-of-social-districts?commentId=4689834%3AComment%3A1321989&feed=yes&xn_auth=noIt's bureaucracy at its burea…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2021-02-10:4689834:Comment:13220672021-02-10T00:51:37.927ZXLFDhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/TheLudingtonCitizen
<p>It's bureaucracy at its bureau-craziest. State legislators had so much time off their job last year that they needed to pass a lot of dumb laws just to make it look like they were doing something. Our governor was too busy giving orders that didn't make sense to close down businesses, when she could have advised local governments to relax some of their own self-imposed alcohol 'blue laws' so that restaurants/bars could sell take-out adult beverages to those planning on quaffing them…</p>
<p>It's bureaucracy at its bureau-craziest. State legislators had so much time off their job last year that they needed to pass a lot of dumb laws just to make it look like they were doing something. Our governor was too busy giving orders that didn't make sense to close down businesses, when she could have advised local governments to relax some of their own self-imposed alcohol 'blue laws' so that restaurants/bars could sell take-out adult beverages to those planning on quaffing them outside because they were outlawed for drinking it indoors.</p> Sounds more like informally r…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2021-02-10:4689834:Comment:13219892021-02-10T00:40:09.685ZXLFDhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/TheLudingtonCitizen
<p>Sounds more like informally referencing a city to the west of Chicago ('Rora, Illinois), Rockford ironically is another major city in IL. Can't help but notice that <a href="https://rockfordmichamber.com/news/rockford-outdoor-refreshment-area-rora/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Rockford MI</a> tries to indicate it's against state law to drink outside: "Patrons must stay within the designated Refreshment Area boundaries. Leaving a Refreshment Area with an alcoholic beverage violates State…</p>
<p>Sounds more like informally referencing a city to the west of Chicago ('Rora, Illinois), Rockford ironically is another major city in IL. Can't help but notice that <a href="https://rockfordmichamber.com/news/rockford-outdoor-refreshment-area-rora/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Rockford MI</a> tries to indicate it's against state law to drink outside: "Patrons must stay within the designated Refreshment Area boundaries. Leaving a Refreshment Area with an alcoholic beverage violates State and local law."</p>
<p>Social districts, like many ideas from a government with so many laws they can't keep track of them all, are redundant and in reality goes against exactly what it's trying to promote. I think this may be why the COL decided to table the idea for now to look at a better way of helping the downtown rather than hurting it.</p> Good points all. Thanks X for…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2021-02-10:4689834:Comment:13219852021-02-10T00:34:15.019ZWillyhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/willy
<p>Good points all. Thanks X for bringing this to the public's attention.</p>
<p>I don't know where to begin. This social districting is just riddled with contradictions and phony feel good rhetoric. You are correct X about taking more money from the businesses and their patrons. I don't see how anyone can miss that part of the deal. Why make a law that requires no law in the first place. I lay all the blame on the spineless Republicans for not standing up to the tyrannical Governor. They…</p>
<p>Good points all. Thanks X for bringing this to the public's attention.</p>
<p>I don't know where to begin. This social districting is just riddled with contradictions and phony feel good rhetoric. You are correct X about taking more money from the businesses and their patrons. I don't see how anyone can miss that part of the deal. Why make a law that requires no law in the first place. I lay all the blame on the spineless Republicans for not standing up to the tyrannical Governor. They should immediately pass legislation to nullify all the freedom and liberty robbing executive orders Heir Whitler has put around our necks. When I read your post and the links I just sat here shaking my head. We have a Capital full of morons who act like children. Of the many foolish things covered in this bill, several really stand out. <br/>!. How can the City possibly deny businesses not involved with this SD from doing the same no matter where they are located and they do not pay the bribe required.<br/>2. I notice one of the requirement of the SD is that "Alcoholic liquor shall not be consumed on the public highways," MCL 436.1915 . So does that mean a participant cannot walk across the street in a SD drinking a cup of cheer on their way to another bar? There are just to many foolish things wrong with this SD crap.</p> I just googled "Rockford Outd…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2021-02-09:4689834:Comment:13220472021-02-09T19:36:33.333ZFreedom Seekerhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/FreedomSeeker
I just googled "Rockford Outdoor Drinking Area" because Jen Tooman on radio said that Rockford was a "model" for the drinking areas, and it answered with the innocuous term, "RORA--Rockford Outdoor Refreshment Area." Sounds like hot chocolate.
I just googled "Rockford Outdoor Drinking Area" because Jen Tooman on radio said that Rockford was a "model" for the drinking areas, and it answered with the innocuous term, "RORA--Rockford Outdoor Refreshment Area." Sounds like hot chocolate. I was just thinking that, LL.…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2021-02-09:4689834:Comment:13219242021-02-09T15:27:52.307ZFreedom Seekerhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/FreedomSeeker
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I was just thinking that, LL. Single-family residents are being pushed out, it seems, and the COL/DDA don't care. More rentals, especially high end rentals equals more beer selling in the summer and justified the department and the Jobs of the DDA. Historically, it works for a short-time for a city, imo, but when the economy takes a hit, and tourism dips, so does everything else. My dad watched this upand down tourist cycle in the 1930s and 40s and you…</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I was just thinking that, LL. Single-family residents are being pushed out, it seems, and the COL/DDA don't care. More rentals, especially high end rentals equals more beer selling in the summer and justified the department and the Jobs of the DDA. Historically, it works for a short-time for a city, imo, but when the economy takes a hit, and tourism dips, so does everything else. My dad watched this upand down tourist cycle in the 1930s and 40s and you could pick up properties in tourist areas cheap when they collapsed. It's a tricky market. I would imagine that this latest thrust to have drinking districts is in response to some of the brewery investments maybe already starting to realize they've over invested. But then I could be wrong and breweries could be making loads of money--it's not my cup of tea or herb as someone who wants to live in a nice little town along the lake, and I struggle with the frustration. The whole economic world is in a new realm and it's hard to understand. I hope you cash out well and I understand the frustration of having to make the move. Although it is hard to give up a piece of residential paradise, and the city benefits from your prudent improvements, I think it will be a positive thing to get out of a city that doesn't seem to care for its residents, infrastructure, or those things that make a livable community for residents.</span></p> Did you hear, Lake Lady, that…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2021-02-09:4689834:Comment:13220072021-02-09T13:56:12.667ZFreedom Seekerhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/FreedomSeeker
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Did you hear, Lake Lady, that some property on Park Street sold for $800k? The mayor was on the local radio station this morning saying how the property in Ludington is increasing in value and "everyone" wants to be here. I couldn't find the sale in realtor.com, maybe it's too recent to be listed yet, but that's good news for those that want to sell! And Jen Tooman (DDA marketing) was on on the radio promoting the drinking districts as six businesses have…</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Did you hear, Lake Lady, that some property on Park Street sold for $800k? The mayor was on the local radio station this morning saying how the property in Ludington is increasing in value and "everyone" wants to be here. I couldn't find the sale in realtor.com, maybe it's too recent to be listed yet, but that's good news for those that want to sell! And Jen Tooman (DDA marketing) was on on the radio promoting the drinking districts as six businesses have shown interest in promoting street drinking. Then mayor Steve Miller promoting his DDA chair position and painting the crosswalks with some program to local artists and high school. Talk about a party in the streets downtown! Now we should be able to see the crosswalks even with one too many alcoholic beverages! And get the taxpayer bus to take you home.</span></p> A sad prophecy, Lake Lady, bu…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2021-02-08:4689834:Comment:13210962021-02-08T18:12:34.673ZFreedom Seekerhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/FreedomSeeker
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">A sad prophecy, Lake Lady, but likely, as "allowing" drinks on the streets of Ludington, and then what stops cruising in vehicles around outlying areas? I see it as a spiderweb to police and a way to justify a bloated city police department with huge pensions debt and relatively little to do if COL didn't put these temptations on the street. Plus another way to make money for the DDA. Or maybe a way to tolerate those who already…</span></p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">A sad prophecy, Lake Lady, but likely, as "allowing" drinks on the streets of Ludington, and then what stops cruising in vehicles around outlying areas? I see it as a spiderweb to police and a way to justify a bloated city police department with huge pensions debt and relatively little to do if COL didn't put these temptations on the street. Plus another way to make money for the DDA. Or maybe a way to tolerate those who already walk disorderly hollering in the streets in the early morning, and then get off on all charges if you're of the privileged social class. I agree completely. Thanks for your contribution of knowledge of what's gone on in Ann Arbor. Sad again, for Ludington putting a drink in front of some people with one too many DUI's already.</span></p>