Breaking News: Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords shot in the head - The Ludington Torch2024-03-28T08:58:38Zhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/forum/topics/breaking-news-arizona-rep?commentId=4689834%3AComment%3A16573&feed=yes&xn_auth=noShooting Investigation detail…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2013-03-27:4689834:Comment:941172013-03-27T19:29:06.826ZXLFDhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/TheLudingtonCitizen
<p>Shooting Investigation details released to the public. Though Loughner pleaded guilty and was sentenced last year, the records had been under seal on order of the court, and were just released. <a href="http://www.freep.com/usatoday/article/2024589" target="_blank">USA Today</a> summarizes some of the findings: </p>
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<p>Sheriff's officials, who investigated jointly with the FBI, withheld the crime reports under a federal court order for two years. U.S. District Judge Larry…</p>
<p>Shooting Investigation details released to the public. Though Loughner pleaded guilty and was sentenced last year, the records had been under seal on order of the court, and were just released. <a href="http://www.freep.com/usatoday/article/2024589" target="_blank">USA Today</a> summarizes some of the findings: </p>
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<p>Sheriff's officials, who investigated jointly with the FBI, withheld the crime reports under a federal court order for two years. U.S. District Judge Larry Burns had decided while the murder case was pending that publication of investigative materials might jeopardize the defendant's right to a fair trial.</p>
<p>Burns recently lifted his seal at the behest of The Arizona Republic; KPNX-TV, Phoenix; and other media. This release closes a two-year legal battle. Here's some of what was uncovered: </p>
<p>Loughner was polite and cooperative with authorities who were holding him the afternoon following his morning shooting rampage. The conversation as Loughner sat in restraints in an interview room was mainly small talk.</p>
<p>Loughner's mother, Amy, told investigators that she and her husband, Randy, took a 12-gauge shotgun away from their son after he was kicked out of Pima Community College and tested him for drugs because his behavior was so strange. The shotgun, which he had owned since 2008, was the only firearm that his parents knew their son owned.</p>
<p>Randy Loughner said it was a challenge to have a rational conversation with his son before the shooting. "I tried to talk to him. But you can't. He wouldn't let you," he said "Lost, lost and just didn't want to communicate with me no more."</p>
<p>Giffords intern Daniel Hernandez helped tend to his boss after she was shot in the head. In an interview, he described the chaos: "She couldn't open her eyes. I tried to get any responses for her. Um, it looked like her left side was the only side that was still mobile. Um, she couldn't speak. It was mumbled. She was squeezing my hand."</p>
<p>Zachary Osler was an employee at a store where Jared Loughner later bought a Glock before the shooting, he also had been Jared Loughner's friend. He was questioned about seeing Loughner shopping inside, sometime before Thanksgiving, and describes an awkward encounter with his former friend. "His response is nothing. Just a mute facial expression. And just like he, he didn't care." Osler told investigators he had grown uncomfortable with Loughner's personality.</p>
<p> Police found two fully loaded magazines for a Glock in the gunman's left front pocket. In his other front pocket was a foldable knife with a 4-inch blade after the shooting.</p>
<p> Shooting victim Bill Badger described being shot. "When I looked, he was just shooting at the people. And, and everybody started to duck. And just as I ducked, I felt the bullet hit the back of my head. It just burned the back of my head. And, the next thing I knew he was coming right in front of me."</p> Where were all of you folks w…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2011-01-21:4689834:Comment:172592011-01-21T03:26:19.000ZGuidothesemipsuedocaptitalistpighttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/RickRawlings
Where were all of you folks with computer and monitor issues when I was moving and giving stuff away?? I gave away two fully functional systems and 3 older but very good monitors before I left Ludington.
Where were all of you folks with computer and monitor issues when I was moving and giving stuff away?? I gave away two fully functional systems and 3 older but very good monitors before I left Ludington. Fox news sorry unable to get…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2011-01-20:4689834:Comment:172312011-01-20T21:58:32.000ZJ.Bhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/JB
Fox news sorry unable to get back sooner good ole comp problems He took pictures and told the person he was dead. Deputys placed him under arrest when they heard him say it.
Fox news sorry unable to get back sooner good ole comp problems He took pictures and told the person he was dead. Deputys placed him under arrest when they heard him say it. Over 18...parents have no rig…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2011-01-18:4689834:Comment:170682011-01-18T03:26:14.000Zmasoncohttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/masonco
<p>Over 18...parents have no rights especially not to mental health information. If a counselor told the parents anything without the kids signing release, the medical personel would lose their jobs. It's called HIPPA privacy act. Just type in HIPPA privacy act for medical care and you should get it.</p>
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<p>Parents can not kick out an adult child unless they go to court for eviction proceedings. If a person's possessions or mail is at a house, court eviction is necessary if they don't…</p>
<p>Over 18...parents have no rights especially not to mental health information. If a counselor told the parents anything without the kids signing release, the medical personel would lose their jobs. It's called HIPPA privacy act. Just type in HIPPA privacy act for medical care and you should get it.</p>
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<p>Parents can not kick out an adult child unless they go to court for eviction proceedings. If a person's possessions or mail is at a house, court eviction is necessary if they don't agree to leave.</p>
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<p>The only way the parents can "force" a child to go to counseling is to have PROOF the child is in IMMEDIATE danger to themselves or others and get a court order for a 24-48 hour assessment. </p>
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<p>Where did he get his ammo? At Walmart...The first one denied him immediate purchase because the way he was acting. The 2nd one he went to sold him the ammunition.</p> They were abused at one time…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2011-01-17:4689834:Comment:170352011-01-17T12:39:41.000Zmasoncohttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/masonco
<p>They were abused at one time and neglected as non people...So government stepped in and went to the other extreme but they can not account for their actions cause they do not recognize right vs wrong.</p>
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<p>Think about this. We pay for our prisoners. At least 65% are mentally ill. Would it not have been cheaper and kinder to house them in places like the now closed community in Traverse City than let them be abuse by other prisoners in prison?</p>
<p>They were abused at one time and neglected as non people...So government stepped in and went to the other extreme but they can not account for their actions cause they do not recognize right vs wrong.</p>
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<p>Think about this. We pay for our prisoners. At least 65% are mentally ill. Would it not have been cheaper and kinder to house them in places like the now closed community in Traverse City than let them be abuse by other prisoners in prison?</p> I agree with you, but need to…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2011-01-17:4689834:Comment:170342011-01-17T12:34:44.000Zmasoncohttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/masonco
<p>I agree with you, but need to ask this. How do they understand individual responsiblity if they learn from the violent games, violent households or even taught they are "special" and do not need to account for their misbehavior as they grow up?</p>
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<p>Those "special" kids are not able to handle living in the world. They have not concept of right or wrong, what is socially acceptable outside of their pampered world?</p>
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<p>I agree with you, but need to ask this. How do they understand individual responsiblity if they learn from the violent games, violent households or even taught they are "special" and do not need to account for their misbehavior as they grow up?</p>
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<p>Those "special" kids are not able to handle living in the world. They have not concept of right or wrong, what is socially acceptable outside of their pampered world?</p>
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<p>Need to fly...get clothes out of dryer and get to town by 8.</p> Correct Max, but if the indiv…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2011-01-17:4689834:Comment:170252011-01-17T06:26:41.000ZAQUAMANhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/AQUAMAN
Correct Max, but if the individual is "permanently whacked out", he/she doesn't understand terms of responsibility and decent behavior at some point in time. Reality does not exist, paranoia exists, with the related malfunctions accompanying them. And, if we all look away, the law, parents, teachers, society in general, then imho, we only give them the green light to continue, and get as bad as they want, eventually, going off the deep end, cause no one said no, no one cared enough, no one…
Correct Max, but if the individual is "permanently whacked out", he/she doesn't understand terms of responsibility and decent behavior at some point in time. Reality does not exist, paranoia exists, with the related malfunctions accompanying them. And, if we all look away, the law, parents, teachers, society in general, then imho, we only give them the green light to continue, and get as bad as they want, eventually, going off the deep end, cause no one said no, no one cared enough, no one wanted to affect their rights, and no one told them where the deep end was. That just has to change, and like Masonco said, find some common middle ground that is going to put these type of incidents to an end, or at least, curtail them for the most part. You're both kinda right Max a…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2011-01-17:4689834:Comment:170242011-01-17T06:14:24.000ZAQUAMANhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/AQUAMAN
You're both kinda right Max and JB, BUT, it has now been established that the community college he attended, "insisted that the parents get him a mental evaluation, BEFORE they would let him attend anymore", and get the Results of those tests, Before reattending. I don't know if the parents can FORCE this or not, since he is in their care and residence, but, at the same time, is of legal age, over 18. He was suspended something like 5 times from the college for outbursts and scaring the bejesus…
You're both kinda right Max and JB, BUT, it has now been established that the community college he attended, "insisted that the parents get him a mental evaluation, BEFORE they would let him attend anymore", and get the Results of those tests, Before reattending. I don't know if the parents can FORCE this or not, since he is in their care and residence, but, at the same time, is of legal age, over 18. He was suspended something like 5 times from the college for outbursts and scaring the bejesus out of his professors and classmates. Again, how about this Masonco? Can you site or link us any laws on the books for this too please? I'm sure your professional experiences and insight will help us all see some light, or more darkness that needs change. Btw, anyone hear where he got or bought a gun? That too needs addressing. I agree RJE, Dave made a grea…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2011-01-17:4689834:Comment:170232011-01-17T06:01:45.000ZAQUAMANhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/AQUAMAN
I agree RJE, Dave made a great find in the Journalistically Challenged cartoon, and it's right on point. Masonco, how can these type people continue to founder in our society with more rights than the rest of us? I've been fighting this issue with MCMH for years about another person I know, and others that have already done themselves in, due to not being treated and confined for such mental disease. Our ancient forefathers may have gone too far in the past, but to let this continue now, and…
I agree RJE, Dave made a great find in the Journalistically Challenged cartoon, and it's right on point. Masonco, how can these type people continue to founder in our society with more rights than the rest of us? I've been fighting this issue with MCMH for years about another person I know, and others that have already done themselves in, due to not being treated and confined for such mental disease. Our ancient forefathers may have gone too far in the past, but to let this continue now, and into the future, isn't helping them or us in any constructive way. Thanks for your time in giving us the TRUTH too, Sadly. Dave
That's a good post. Funn…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2011-01-17:4689834:Comment:170222011-01-17T03:09:13.000ZWillyhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/willy
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<p>That's a good post. Funny how much information can be contained in a simple drawing with a few words attached.</p>
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<p>That's a good post. Funny how much information can be contained in a simple drawing with a few words attached.</p>