City of Ludington Fails to Close Facilities Ruled Unlawful by Governor - The Ludington Torch2024-03-28T12:45:51Zhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/forum/topics/city-of-ludington-fails-to-close-facilities-ruled-unlawful-by-gov?commentId=4689834%3AComment%3A1139484&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI agree stump, in theory abou…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2020-08-07:4689834:Comment:11408512020-08-07T16:24:00.902ZFreedom Seekerhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/FreedomSeeker
<p>I agree stump, in theory about backcharges, but I fear it's not going to work that way. Some who were on the sp committee also didnt want it down there, and I dare say that when they see many people from all over, some of those Karens are not even going to be letting their kids intermingle, especially with covid, goosepoop and stagnant run off ponds with green scum on top and look like they are deep enough to drown a toddler near the end of the slide and all around. It seems the play water…</p>
<p>I agree stump, in theory about backcharges, but I fear it's not going to work that way. Some who were on the sp committee also didnt want it down there, and I dare say that when they see many people from all over, some of those Karens are not even going to be letting their kids intermingle, especially with covid, goosepoop and stagnant run off ponds with green scum on top and look like they are deep enough to drown a toddler near the end of the slide and all around. It seems the play water is just running into the ground creating those scum ponds? I dont see any drains.</p>
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<p> I think their intention is to eliminate the geese. They did pretty good raids chasing the geese off before building was started.</p> If this splash pad project w…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2020-08-07:4689834:Comment:11408182020-08-07T16:09:17.584Zstumphttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/stump
<p> If this splash pad project was / is a public donation project who holds the funds? I thought upkeep and repairs were to be paid from these funds? If so, then the city MUST back charge all labor time , materials and equipment use to the fund. It was made know from the start that these geese would be a problem with their pooping all over . Who could not see this coming. </p>
<p> If this splash pad project was / is a public donation project who holds the funds? I thought upkeep and repairs were to be paid from these funds? If so, then the city MUST back charge all labor time , materials and equipment use to the fund. It was made know from the start that these geese would be a problem with their pooping all over . Who could not see this coming. </p> Thanks X, I was aiming to cu…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2020-08-07:4689834:Comment:11406892020-08-07T14:57:47.035ZFreedom Seekerhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/FreedomSeeker
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<li><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Thanks X, I was aiming to cut through the fog for those who complain of verbosity and otherwise seem to have a hard time understanding more than half a sentence at a time. Still it was a long summary. I appreciate your thoroughness, but then, i enjoy the art of reading. Sometime if you have time, please explain further anything that was essentially incorrect, especially, about the finances of the splash pad. Do you know if and how the "combined"…</span></li>
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<li><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Thanks X, I was aiming to cut through the fog for those who complain of verbosity and otherwise seem to have a hard time understanding more than half a sentence at a time. Still it was a long summary. I appreciate your thoroughness, but then, i enjoy the art of reading. Sometime if you have time, please explain further anything that was essentially incorrect, especially, about the finances of the splash pad. Do you know if and how the "combined" grant came through? As I recall, the there was some "creative" grant writing and what I considered BS that we "couldn't have one without the other" under Steve Brock administration. No explanation as to why. Done is done, and that seems like just what they intended to do, and for all those who continue to believe the city unconditionally, consider your new water bill. Our city is somewhere near $75 million? in debt on roughly a $6 million dollar income. Yet we can creatively finance a splash pad and provide it free, and have incredibly increased the work load of our DPW. How can we be positive about this?</span></li>
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<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Years later it came out that President Johnson fabricated "the Gulf of Tonkin" incident so he didn't have to get Congress approval to declare war. A little off base but I see a bit of similar concept that went on here to skirt open meetings and people's input. Our nation is going near $27 trillion dollars in debt with the next stimulus.</span></p> That cuts through a lot of th…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2020-08-07:4689834:Comment:11406572020-08-07T13:59:03.139ZXLFDhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/TheLudingtonCitizen
<p>That cuts through a lot of the fog and is essentially correct. Freedom Seeker. </p>
<p>That cuts through a lot of the fog and is essentially correct. Freedom Seeker. </p> thanks also, X and Willy. As…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2020-08-06:4689834:Comment:11400742020-08-06T22:14:22.845ZFreedom Seekerhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/FreedomSeeker
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">thanks also, X and Willy. As far as hope for a change, I'm not so optimistic, though there will be a little movement. As I see it, the DDA and chamber mostly runs this whole town, do what they want with the money and leave the 90 percent of the populace out of discussion (assuming the DDA clients have about 10 percent of the population, though I think that is high). The entire city council has been or still is benefitted by their involvement in DDA…</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">thanks also, X and Willy. As far as hope for a change, I'm not so optimistic, though there will be a little movement. As I see it, the DDA and chamber mostly runs this whole town, do what they want with the money and leave the 90 percent of the populace out of discussion (assuming the DDA clients have about 10 percent of the population, though I think that is high). The entire city council has been or still is benefitted by their involvement in DDA meetings. This is where I think the tail has been wagging the head for years, led through the Henderson years due to his thinking that the businesses might fold up and run out of town or something. Meanwhile, budget has always been a problem, but the DDA continues running their projects (west end, heritage park, splash pad to name a few), compounded with false information on grants and circuitous financing, hate to say it but outright lying at times to achieve things the secret minds cook up and leaving the rest of the city in shambles for high sewer and water debt and having to put up with roads and sidewalks for years. (I cant believe they are going forward with new Heritage park bids in this economic downturn and it's never been published that I know of that any of the "Grants" came through in the covid depression).</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">You and X know this more than I but that's my summary for lack of hope in the next election. Until we have a city manager who will stress the importance of budget, I only see more fees and taxes in my future and I'm so disgusted by the politics and the retaliations.</span></p> Well said FS. This is how off…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2020-08-06:4689834:Comment:11400732020-08-06T21:42:17.406ZWillyhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/willy
<p>Well said FS. This is how officials in Ludington have operated for years. I hope that there is going to be a change for the better after the next election</p>
<p>Well said FS. This is how officials in Ludington have operated for years. I hope that there is going to be a change for the better after the next election</p> X, I stopped by the splash pa…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2020-08-06:4689834:Comment:11401132020-08-06T21:21:09.828ZWillyhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/willy
<p>X, I stopped by the splash pad today. Lo and behold it is now open for business. Looks like the City found a work around to their insubordination. <br/><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/7298500484?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/7298500484?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p>
<p>X, I stopped by the splash pad today. Lo and behold it is now open for business. Looks like the City found a work around to their insubordination. <br/><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/7298500484?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/7298500484?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p> Thanks FS.
Ep, Whitmer’s shu…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2020-08-06:4689834:Comment:11400702020-08-06T21:15:33.045ZWillyhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/willy
<p> Thanks FS.</p>
<p>Ep, Whitmer’s shut down included “water parks”. I would guess that water fountains built for kids to play in and on which are located in a park would be deemed a “water park”. Your second paragraph is a bit confusing. Do you consider your comments fanciful stories as you consider others who have commented on this topic. Silly me, I had the Gaul to think that all who posted comments here were addressing the issue. Why don’t you stick to the topic instead of commenting about…</p>
<p> Thanks FS.</p>
<p>Ep, Whitmer’s shut down included “water parks”. I would guess that water fountains built for kids to play in and on which are located in a park would be deemed a “water park”. Your second paragraph is a bit confusing. Do you consider your comments fanciful stories as you consider others who have commented on this topic. Silly me, I had the Gaul to think that all who posted comments here were addressing the issue. Why don’t you stick to the topic instead of commenting about other posters.</p> Glad you can see the differen…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2020-08-06:4689834:Comment:11398272020-08-06T15:52:36.181ZFreedom Seekerhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/FreedomSeeker
Glad you can see the difference, Epic, and glad you made it through the night, X (that is, wasn't lynched by the mobs who might gather in your yard).
Glad you can see the difference, Epic, and glad you made it through the night, X (that is, wasn't lynched by the mobs who might gather in your yard). A good journalist, like a goo…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2020-08-06:4689834:Comment:11395852020-08-06T14:58:09.233ZXLFDhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/TheLudingtonCitizen
<p>A good journalist, like a good playwright, should be well-versed in tragedy and comedy as well as its different effects on their audiences. Not that I'm either.</p>
<p>It's a very good point you make, FS, and part of Journalism 101. Those who control the headlines often control the overall narrative of a story even when it may be significantly different.</p>
<p>A good journalist, like a good playwright, should be well-versed in tragedy and comedy as well as its different effects on their audiences. Not that I'm either.</p>
<p>It's a very good point you make, FS, and part of Journalism 101. Those who control the headlines often control the overall narrative of a story even when it may be significantly different.</p>