Counterpoint: Freedom is an Entitlement - The Ludington Torch2024-03-29T09:09:12Zhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/forum/topics/counterpoint-freedom-is-an-entitlement?commentId=4689834%3AComment%3A1047130&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noYou know we just have to thin…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2020-06-15:4689834:Comment:10471302020-06-15T03:08:53.081Zstumphttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/stump
You know we just have to think a little different now. If we call these summer events PROTEST thousands of people can come , there could also be food and other activities. No problem with Protesting apparently for large crowds. Some criminal passes away? BIG PARTY, multiple cities, the whole nation, hell, world wide , thousands show up with no criticism.Just have to think differently.Can we protest no 4th of july fireworks? The proposed parade route?
You know we just have to think a little different now. If we call these summer events PROTEST thousands of people can come , there could also be food and other activities. No problem with Protesting apparently for large crowds. Some criminal passes away? BIG PARTY, multiple cities, the whole nation, hell, world wide , thousands show up with no criticism.Just have to think differently.Can we protest no 4th of july fireworks? The proposed parade route? Woodsman, Rob's philosophy is…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2020-06-08:4689834:Comment:10322572020-06-08T15:39:27.635ZXLFDhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/TheLudingtonCitizen
<p>Woodsman, Rob's philosophy is that if he has a choice to defend his position honestly or delete a comment, he'd choose the latter. As a government official, a city commissioner no less, his disdain for people's free expression is very troubling (it already was as a 'journalist'). This latest example of 'how dare you think that way' shows a troubling bit of elitism.</p>
<p>Woodsman, Rob's philosophy is that if he has a choice to defend his position honestly or delete a comment, he'd choose the latter. As a government official, a city commissioner no less, his disdain for people's free expression is very troubling (it already was as a 'journalist'). This latest example of 'how dare you think that way' shows a troubling bit of elitism.</p> Read the Entitlement story on…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2020-06-08:4689834:Comment:10319852020-06-08T13:45:08.279Zwoodsmanhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/Jimfromscottville
<p>Read the Entitlement story on FB... Found it very odd that there where no negative comments but there where comments referring to the negative comments that have been removed. Journalism at its finest get rid of the naysayers and anyone who disagrees with Rob. Then asking for donations at the bottom of every story.. </p>
<p>Read the Entitlement story on FB... Found it very odd that there where no negative comments but there where comments referring to the negative comments that have been removed. Journalism at its finest get rid of the naysayers and anyone who disagrees with Rob. Then asking for donations at the bottom of every story.. </p> And with all these 1200 medic…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2020-06-08:4689834:Comment:10309782020-06-08T00:47:38.366ZXLFDhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/TheLudingtonCitizen
<p>And with all these 1200 medical experts telling us that protesting, but only when done for liberal causes, is good for the health and soul of individuals and society even without masks and social distancing, where is good old mega-expert, America's epidemiologist-in-chief, Dr. Tony Fauci? </p>
<p>Yeah, that guy who explicitly told us for months that human interaction and contact, like these last couple of weeks of close protests and riots, were the nightmare scenario, and calmly told…</p>
<p>And with all these 1200 medical experts telling us that protesting, but only when done for liberal causes, is good for the health and soul of individuals and society even without masks and social distancing, where is good old mega-expert, America's epidemiologist-in-chief, Dr. Tony Fauci? </p>
<p>Yeah, that guy who explicitly told us for months that human interaction and contact, like these last couple of weeks of close protests and riots, were the nightmare scenario, and calmly told politicians and the expert-trusting public, that small businesses would have to close and remain closed, livelihoods would have to be ruined, etc. so that people could isolate themselves before this supervirus flattened out fully and we had a vaccine. A dozen days of protests later...</p>
<p>That little prick is nowhere to be found. Fantastic hoax while it lasted, Dr. Fauci.</p> Good points X. Insanity sprea…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2020-06-07:4689834:Comment:10304772020-06-07T16:48:58.868ZWillyhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/willy
<p>Good points X. Insanity spread by leftists. That articled posted by X was written by a CNN reporter so maybe .000001% of it may have some truth to it. That truth being it is a CNN fabricated story. If anyone really believes that rioting and burning cities is acceptable behavior and will not spread Covid19 but peacefully protesting the forced shut down of businesses will then I pity those of you who have been brainwashed.</p>
<p>Good points X. Insanity spread by leftists. That articled posted by X was written by a CNN reporter so maybe .000001% of it may have some truth to it. That truth being it is a CNN fabricated story. If anyone really believes that rioting and burning cities is acceptable behavior and will not spread Covid19 but peacefully protesting the forced shut down of businesses will then I pity those of you who have been brainwashed.</p> I do remember that, FS, and t…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2020-06-07:4689834:Comment:10303842020-06-07T15:05:32.433ZXLFDhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/TheLudingtonCitizen
<p>I do remember that, FS, and that expert could have had the rest of the city officials believing that COVID-19 is a bacteria, seems like she convinced Aquaman at least. Thank goodness Michigan has only 10 million people in it, if that's the population she was referring to, 14 million would affect all those people dead and moved away in Michigan and still on the voter rolls that our lovely secretary of state sent applications to unlawfully.</p>
<p>As an addendum to the believing the experts…</p>
<p>I do remember that, FS, and that expert could have had the rest of the city officials believing that COVID-19 is a bacteria, seems like she convinced Aquaman at least. Thank goodness Michigan has only 10 million people in it, if that's the population she was referring to, 14 million would affect all those people dead and moved away in Michigan and still on the voter rolls that our lovely secretary of state sent applications to unlawfully.</p>
<p>As an addendum to the believing the experts dialog that I hope Epictetus can continue, he/she assumes that science and its goals is apolitical, but it has allowed itself to be corrupted in a way that should be obvious to anybody paying minimal attention and who believes in the basics of science. Case in point, <a href="https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/over-1-000-health-professionals-sign-a-letter-saying-don-t-shut-down-protests-using-coronavirus-concerns-as-an-excuse/19132735/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">this article</a> explaining how 1000 health professionals signed a letter arguing that protests should not be shut down on account of COVID-19. </p>
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<p>"We created the letter in response to emerging narratives that seemed to malign demonstrations as risky for the public health because of Covid-19," according to the letter writers, many of whom are part of the University of Washington's Division of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. <br/>"Instead, we wanted to present a narrative that prioritizes opposition to racism as vital to the public health, including the epidemic response. We believe that the way forward is not to suppress protests in the name of public health but to respond to protesters demands in the name of public health, thereby addressing multiple public health crises."</p>
<p>"<strong>However, as public health advocates, we do not condemn these gatherings as risky for COVID-19 transmission. We support them as vital to the national public health and to the threatened health specifically of Black people in the United States.</strong> We can show that support by facilitating safest protesting practices without detracting from demonstrators' ability to gather and demand change. <strong>This should not be confused with a permissive stance on all gatherings, particularly protests against stay-home orders.</strong>"</p>
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<p>If you can read just that and not notice a political bias (the letter is more dramatic in other places) in the pseudo-science they offer, then do what's good for your health by going out to demonstrate against something you've never had the urge to demonstrate against before-- march shoulder to shoulder with unmasked high-risk individuals like the governor did, because it's good for your health according to all of these experts who should be ashamed of themselves.</p> Good points, X, about why it…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2020-06-05:4689834:Comment:10257782020-06-05T22:47:26.712ZFreedom Seekerhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/FreedomSeeker
Good points, X, about why it is hard to trust the "experts." And then dont forget our own city Councilor science expert who was swayed by some expert on "the news" not quoted that we could have 14 million cases of Covid19 in 21 days, because "bacteria" spreads like we've all seen in those high school laboratory experiments. Well, let me add that expert opinion to the list. Stuff like that makes one have questions about the expert authority.
Good points, X, about why it is hard to trust the "experts." And then dont forget our own city Councilor science expert who was swayed by some expert on "the news" not quoted that we could have 14 million cases of Covid19 in 21 days, because "bacteria" spreads like we've all seen in those high school laboratory experiments. Well, let me add that expert opinion to the list. Stuff like that makes one have questions about the expert authority. I agree X. What really bother…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2020-06-05:4689834:Comment:10259222020-06-05T22:20:40.734ZWillyhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/willy
<p>I agree X. What really bothers me is that many well respected scientists cannot be counted on to be objective and promote the scientific method of review and discussion as to what is or is not facts. Like many of the models and predictions made by the fools on Covid19. One major disappointment is Neil Degrasse Tyson who says in affect that the science is settled about global warming and we as common citizens should not question it. What shmuck he turned out to be. As can be expected I don't…</p>
<p>I agree X. What really bothers me is that many well respected scientists cannot be counted on to be objective and promote the scientific method of review and discussion as to what is or is not facts. Like many of the models and predictions made by the fools on Covid19. One major disappointment is Neil Degrasse Tyson who says in affect that the science is settled about global warming and we as common citizens should not question it. What shmuck he turned out to be. As can be expected I don't pay any attention to his opinions any more.</p>
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<p>Epictetus, I am having a problem with the 'reply' feature on my computer, so allow me to address your question here of: "When did we stop believing the experts?"</p>
<p>We generally accept an expert's advice on most things, especially when they an expert on science. But just as two legal experts can argue totally opposite sides on a legal case with a full set of established laws and precedents already on the books, the same is often true in the realm of science. Let's take a look at the…</p>
<p>Epictetus, I am having a problem with the 'reply' feature on my computer, so allow me to address your question here of: "When did we stop believing the experts?"</p>
<p>We generally accept an expert's advice on most things, especially when they an expert on science. But just as two legal experts can argue totally opposite sides on a legal case with a full set of established laws and precedents already on the books, the same is often true in the realm of science. Let's take a look at the errors of the 'experts' at the CDC have said this year alone.</p>
<p>They’ve been wrong about the models. They’ve been wrong about the lockdowns. They’ve been wrong about the distance the particles travel in the air. They’ve been wrong about the transmission of the virus from asymptomatic individuals. They’ve been wrong about the spread of the virus on surfaces. They’ve been wrong about the infection fatality rate. They’ve been wrong about the dangers of the virus to children and young adults. They’ve been wrong about the use of face masks. They’ve been wrong in their abilities to protect individuals in long-term care facilities. They’ve been wrong in the way they’ve counted COVID-19 deaths. They’ve been wrong in how they’ve classified COVID-19 cases. Remember any apologies at any press conferences for these errors?</p>
<p>The governors and mayors who enacted the policies of the CDC, Drs. Fauci, and Birx destroyed constitutional protections and failed to enact rational recommendations to protect the most vulnerable.</p>
<p>It is irrational to believe that these people are experts in science and governing when they have ignored alternative scientific and political viewpoints in getting us to where we are-- especially when those places around the country and the world that have not went along with most of the crazy, inexact scientipolitics have fared remarkably well.</p>
<p>One must understand that science, just like politics, can get corrupted by outside influences whose goals aren't truth, transparency, and accountability.</p> Steve's Bar and Restaurant in…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2020-06-04:4689834:Comment:10237762020-06-04T20:04:58.629ZAQUAMANhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/AQUAMAN
<p>Steve's Bar and Restaurant in Scottville was a prime attraction for many charterboat captains in the day for dinner specials. They had a different special every nite that was very tasty, big portions, and very reasonably priced, and of course most guys drank a few adult beverages to boot. Italy has the proofs now this is a common bacterium disease too, their own curves for infections has flattened way down, and deaths aren't nearly what they were at first. So, I believe in science too, but…</p>
<p>Steve's Bar and Restaurant in Scottville was a prime attraction for many charterboat captains in the day for dinner specials. They had a different special every nite that was very tasty, big portions, and very reasonably priced, and of course most guys drank a few adult beverages to boot. Italy has the proofs now this is a common bacterium disease too, their own curves for infections has flattened way down, and deaths aren't nearly what they were at first. So, I believe in science too, but experts on a new disease can only hypothesize with faulty modeling, which we have also seen here in vast numbers of falsehood.</p>
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