Mens Rea in the Mens Room?: Mystery of the Schoolhouse Stalls - The Ludington Torch2024-03-28T23:28:50Zhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/forum/topics/mens-rea-in-the-mens-room-mystery-of-the-schoolhouse-stalls?xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noIt's a very good second point…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2022-05-29:4689834:Comment:13430332022-05-29T02:40:19.876ZXLFDhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/TheLudingtonCitizen
<p>It's a very good second point you raise, there is some confusion as to who is referenced with each "they' used, but most seem to be used for the singular student, where "he" would be a better choice-- we're dealing with a washroom that only has males using it. Stump properly indicates that the investigation seems to be incomplete.</p>
<p>The other point you mention, that the rights of the student should be considered in such instances is also well taken. One of the reasons zero-tolerance…</p>
<p>It's a very good second point you raise, there is some confusion as to who is referenced with each "they' used, but most seem to be used for the singular student, where "he" would be a better choice-- we're dealing with a washroom that only has males using it. Stump properly indicates that the investigation seems to be incomplete.</p>
<p>The other point you mention, that the rights of the student should be considered in such instances is also well taken. One of the reasons zero-tolerance policies fail in regards to school threats situations is that it was so easy to get even with a fellow student by raising a fictitious allegation against them that could neither be proved or disproved. Schools and police are reluctant, however, to punish proven fake accusers because of their perception that it may suppress other students making genuine accusations coming forward. </p>
<p>Also glad to add visual aids to help with understanding, I did it originally for myself and felt it might help others understand the facts visually.</p> I understand that there is a…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2022-05-26:4689834:Comment:13428692022-05-26T21:56:43.214ZWillyhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/willy
<p>I understand that there is a fear of a student going off the deep end but that is no excuse for denying a student their rights because of an alleged comment which may or may not have been said. How can a resolution to this situation be reached if we have to guess which student is telling the truth? Having said that, I have a real problem with the "Investigation of comments" report and it's overuse of the term "they". Since the word "they" can be used as plural or singular it would seem to…</p>
<p>I understand that there is a fear of a student going off the deep end but that is no excuse for denying a student their rights because of an alleged comment which may or may not have been said. How can a resolution to this situation be reached if we have to guess which student is telling the truth? Having said that, I have a real problem with the "Investigation of comments" report and it's overuse of the term "they". Since the word "they" can be used as plural or singular it would seem to me that it's overuse in the report only adds to the confusion and does nothing to clarify who said what or who did what. Who ever put this report together needs to take a class on communications. It's almost as if the person who wrote this report was trying to be politically correct and doing their best to make a gender neutral document. It would have been far more helpful if a particular student in the report had been referred to as "he" instead of "they". Read the report and substitute "he" for "they" when referring to a singular person. The report seems to make more sense and is easier to read.</p>
<p>X, your graphs are very helpful in understanding the time line</p>
<p> </p> My first though was who was…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2022-05-26:4689834:Comment:13430282022-05-26T16:27:09.177Zstumphttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/stump
<p> My first though was who was the 1st student talking to ? Himself or someone on his cell phone ? Did anyone think to check his phone for a recent call ? Apparently this kid needs some help as many of these threats come to light and nothing is done until the threat is carried out. I would say the investigation is not over with.</p>
<p> My first though was who was the 1st student talking to ? Himself or someone on his cell phone ? Did anyone think to check his phone for a recent call ? Apparently this kid needs some help as many of these threats come to light and nothing is done until the threat is carried out. I would say the investigation is not over with.</p>