Update, Update, and FOI-A! Shay Covers Up Massive Fraud Through Myths - The Ludington Torch2024-03-29T07:44:01Zhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/forum/topics/update-update-and-foi-a-shay-covers-up-massive-fraud-through-myth?commentId=4689834%3AComment%3A349302&feed=yes&xn_auth=noAllan Vander Laan (correct sp…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-09-18:4689834:Comment:3494232017-09-18T14:22:32.374ZXLFDhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/TheLudingtonCitizen
<p>Allan Vander Laan (correct spelling) thought it was winnable when he went before council, if we believe Shay's statements (this is usually unwise). At the August 25th meeting, the <a href="https://ludingtoncitymi.documents-on-demand.com/Document/6736a7c4-63c8-4384-a447-462276ea96d8/City%20Council%20Regular%20Meeting%20Minutes%20August%2025,%202008.pdf" target="_blank">minutes</a> note:</p>
<p>"Moved by Councilor Scott, seconded by Councilor Holman, to follow the strategy of Attorney Allan…</p>
<p>Allan Vander Laan (correct spelling) thought it was winnable when he went before council, if we believe Shay's statements (this is usually unwise). At the August 25th meeting, the <a href="https://ludingtoncitymi.documents-on-demand.com/Document/6736a7c4-63c8-4384-a447-462276ea96d8/City%20Council%20Regular%20Meeting%20Minutes%20August%2025,%202008.pdf" target="_blank">minutes</a> note:</p>
<p>"Moved by Councilor Scott, seconded by Councilor Holman, to follow the strategy of Attorney Allan Vanderlaan in regards to the settlement of the Jack Byers lawsuit. Motion Carried."</p>
<p>This meaningless vote (due to lack of context) effectively was the council's agreement to settle the lawsuit for $250,000, as the topic never came up again before the announcement of settlement was made. </p>
<p>What citizen in their right mind would ever trust this council to be open, honest and accountable ever again after this debacle where their only goal was to save face?</p> Here is the COLDNews version …tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-09-18:4689834:Comment:3495422017-09-18T14:13:11.296ZXLFDhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/TheLudingtonCitizen
<p><a href="http://www.shorelinemedia.net/ludington_daily_news/archives/former-building-inspector-sues-city/article_1ffafafb-a61c-5e4d-ab8d-f8457be37b43.html" target="_blank">Here is the COLDNews version</a> of what the lawsuit's dispute was about. Here is what they said of settlement:…</p>
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<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1494186156?profile=original" target="_self"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1494186156?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721"></img></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.shorelinemedia.net/ludington_daily_news/archives/former-building-inspector-sues-city/article_1ffafafb-a61c-5e4d-ab8d-f8457be37b43.html" target="_blank">Here is the COLDNews version</a> of what the lawsuit's dispute was about. Here is what they said of settlement:</p>
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<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1494186156?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1494186156?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024"/></a></p> Early on in my FOIA career, I…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-09-17:4689834:Comment:3494192017-09-17T22:42:06.313ZXLFDhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/TheLudingtonCitizen
<p>Early on in my FOIA career, I tried to get the court filings the City had in it's possession regarding this lawsuit. At that point, the lawsuit had been settled for a couple of years, and there shouldn't have been any exempt records among the filings. At the time, I couldn't locate any resource to get these through the federal court it was filed in. Shay and Wilson created the usual blockading move, by suggesting I would have to pay $600 just to inspect these non-exempt…</p>
<p>Early on in my FOIA career, I tried to get the court filings the City had in it's possession regarding this lawsuit. At that point, the lawsuit had been settled for a couple of years, and there shouldn't have been any exempt records among the filings. At the time, I couldn't locate any resource to get these through the federal court it was filed in. Shay and Wilson created the usual blockading move, by suggesting I would have to pay $600 just to inspect these non-exempt records. </p>
<p>This leads me to believe that there was some stuff in these records he didn't want anybody outside of his corruption cabal to see. I invite anybody else to pursue these records and see what results you get.</p> Why is the city's lighthouse…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-09-16:4689834:Comment:3494122017-09-16T02:59:23.091ZXLFDhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/TheLudingtonCitizen
<p>Why is the city's lighthouse not on display? I'm glad the city leaders decided to change the Open Government section to reflect their policy and personnel after their latest 'victory for transparency' in this lawsuit.</p>
<p>Why is the city's lighthouse not on display? I'm glad the city leaders decided to change the Open Government section to reflect their policy and personnel after their latest 'victory for transparency' in this lawsuit.</p> Nah, he only got a quarter of…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-09-16:4689834:Comment:3492122017-09-16T02:33:57.627ZXLFDhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/TheLudingtonCitizen
<p>Nah, he only got a quarter of a million dollars. </p>
<p>If the Byers suit actually went much further, there probably would have been some heads rolling with all the insider knowledge Jack Byers had as the Building Inspector. All of that extra money going his way was under condition that not only would the lawsuit go away, but also that all the incriminating testimony about the way City of Ludington was being ran would never surface. Byers was paid to keep his mouth shut about the cesspool…</p>
<p>Nah, he only got a quarter of a million dollars. </p>
<p>If the Byers suit actually went much further, there probably would have been some heads rolling with all the insider knowledge Jack Byers had as the Building Inspector. All of that extra money going his way was under condition that not only would the lawsuit go away, but also that all the incriminating testimony about the way City of Ludington was being ran would never surface. Byers was paid to keep his mouth shut about the cesspool known as Ludington politics-- and that was about 10 years ago with the same city managers our councilors have retained.</p> XLFD, you should have hired J…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-09-15:4689834:Comment:3495112017-09-15T23:55:30.125Zstumphttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/stump
<p>XLFD, you should have hired Jack Beyers lawyer. Didn't Jack get $250,000 ?</p>
<p>XLFD, you should have hired Jack Beyers lawyer. Didn't Jack get $250,000 ?</p> I found Ludington's FOIA web…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-09-15:4689834:Comment:3495072017-09-15T00:39:46.156ZWillyhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/willy
<p>I found Ludington's FOIA web page. Interesting reading to say the least.</p>
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<p>I found Ludington's FOIA web page. Interesting reading to say the least.</p>
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1494186130?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1494186130?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" class="align-full" width="721"/></a></p> Just recall, when my federal…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-09-14:4689834:Comment:3493022017-09-14T20:41:24.863ZXLFDhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/TheLudingtonCitizen
<p>Just recall, when my federal lawsuit v. John Shay and the City of Ludington was settled with them paying out $15,000, and much more than that in their own legal fees, they did pretty much the same thing. "The case was dismissed, we won. We paid the $15,000 to save the citizens the additional costs of further legal fees, as we would have won if it ever went to court." </p>
<p>Yeah sure, John; it couldn't have been how you went towards ruining my reputation and life with your deliberate…</p>
<p>Just recall, when my federal lawsuit v. John Shay and the City of Ludington was settled with them paying out $15,000, and much more than that in their own legal fees, they did pretty much the same thing. "The case was dismissed, we won. We paid the $15,000 to save the citizens the additional costs of further legal fees, as we would have won if it ever went to court." </p>
<p>Yeah sure, John; it couldn't have been how you went towards ruining my reputation and life with your deliberate actions and policies in early 2011, after I pointed out numerous illegal and unethical acts by you and your fellow city hallers while you were supposedly serving the public. The same thing happened to Jack Byers in 2008, after he blew the whistle on our city leaders doing other illegal and unethical acts.</p> Very well said and felt posts…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-09-14:4689834:Comment:3491112017-09-14T03:51:44.774ZAQUAMANhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/AQUAMAN
<p>Very well said and felt posts guys and gurls, you really know what's been and continues to go on, not just in the Torch, but in life in general, so proud of you all, thanks, and let's pursue the truth!!!</p>
<p>Very well said and felt posts guys and gurls, you really know what's been and continues to go on, not just in the Torch, but in life in general, so proud of you all, thanks, and let's pursue the truth!!!</p> It's disgraceful how Shay tri…tag:ludingtoncitizen.ning.com,2017-09-13:4689834:Comment:3489342017-09-13T23:54:35.653ZWillyhttps://ludingtoncitizen.ning.com/profile/willy
<p>It's disgraceful how Shay tries to play these games of information keep away. This was a victory for you, X and Shay knows it. The idiots on the Council and Mayor are so ignorant and stupid that they can't see how Shay is manipulating the system at the expense of the tax payers wallets. What a worthless bunch of fools. I thought Brandy Henderson was going to be the one to start turning the sh_t think around at City Hall. Her dad and the other limp wads must have gotten to her and promised…</p>
<p>It's disgraceful how Shay tries to play these games of information keep away. This was a victory for you, X and Shay knows it. The idiots on the Council and Mayor are so ignorant and stupid that they can't see how Shay is manipulating the system at the expense of the tax payers wallets. What a worthless bunch of fools. I thought Brandy Henderson was going to be the one to start turning the sh_t think around at City Hall. Her dad and the other limp wads must have gotten to her and promised her future benefits or even banishment if she did not tow the line. Fantastic job X. </p>