The upcoming health care vote

[Dave]

I pretty much look at it from this perspective, if your the democratic party and you can't even get all of your own party members to sign on to vote with you.. at least not without using gimmicks and tricks like reconciliation (yes, I know both the dem's and republicans have used it before... doesn't make it right when it was used before), then maybe the bill wasn't so great to begin with. I've said it a 100 times before that there are things that do need to be fixed with health care but I don't believe this bill to be the answer.

[masonco]

What I am seeing, Obama is safe on that but Stupak does not get it. They just said Obama can't do it? I had more respect for Stupak than to think he'd fall for that line of. of . ummm false information.