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Comment by William berkly on January 18, 2014 at 6:59pm

   "The City can watch you pee, but it's wrong for a transgender person,lmao"   Again, the city monitoring the public bathrooms isn't relevant to this issue. 

Comment by William berkly on January 18, 2014 at 6:56pm

     "Transgender kids are going to have to adapt to their situation instead of all of the other children adjusting to a transgender's child's situation".  While it's true that all children have different problems that they themselves must deal with, what makes the transgender struggle different is the way that schools treat them. Unfortunately, a lot of schools disregard their transgender students, or make them feel like their gender identity doesn't matter. Students, faculty members, and sometimes other parents, isolate/ harasses these kids, which makes them feel unwanted. What the LGBT community is trying to do is show how it doesn't matter what sexual orientation, or gender, you identify with. All that matters is that we're all people, with our own thoughts and feeling, and that we should all try to coexist with each other.

     "Progressives like you are always pushing your moral standards and beliefs on everyone else and insist that everyone else must adjust and change their attitudes and beliefs".   Again, that's a double edged sword. Conservative groups push their beliefs onto other, just as much as Liberal groups push their beliefs onto other. It's not just one group of people pushing ideas, it's multiple. 

      "You have no qualms about putting innocent kids into situations they are not comfortable with or are even  ready to know about let alone understand".    Again, if we can sit down, and explain to our kids how transgender people were born this way, then we can show them that there isn't a reason to be afraid, scared, uncomfortable, angry, etc. Children are not dumb. They can understand a lot about people, ideas, and anything else we teach, provided that we don't let biases get in the way.

      "It sounds like you couldn't care less about normal kids". It's not that I don't care about normal children, it's just that LGBT students have it way worse. Not only do they have to accept who they really are on the inside, but they also have to deal with external societal norms and prejudices. It's been proven that they get the most discriminated against, and I'm not going to accept it.  

http://www.bullyingstatistics.org/content/gay-bullying-statistics.html

Comment by XLFD on January 18, 2014 at 5:20pm

Willy is correct in that what is at issue here are civil rights of everyone.  The civil rights movement in the 1960s was not called  the black's rights movement, even though them and people of all races and political persuasions were fighting to secure their basic rights which had been denied them since emancipation. 

When most people advocate for rights for the LGBT community, they must remember that allowing "transgender students to use the specific bathroom or locker room that they feel comfortable with" conflicts with the rights of boys and girls who have not that type of dysphoria (which BTW is the far greater majority) who wish to use a gender-specific bathroom or locker room.  That forces a duty on them that is just as onerous than what the transgender encounters. 

Likewise, if they feel they are transgender and do not identify themselves as 'homosexual' in that regard, then they should actually be excited about being in a locker room full of the gender that they find desirable.

Comment by Willy on January 18, 2014 at 3:50pm

Transgender kids are going to have to adapt to their situation instead of all of the other children adjusting to a transgender's child's situation. Progressives like you are always pushing your moral standards and beliefs on everyone else and insist that everyone else must adjust and change their attitudes and beliefs. You have no qualms about putting innocent kids into situations they are not comfortable with or are even  ready to know about let alone understand. It sounds like you couldn't care less about normal kids.

Comment by William berkly on January 18, 2014 at 2:25pm

     "courts have consistently defined three different levels of privacy that may exist in any public bathroom or locker room depending on whether you are in the common area, in a partially private area (like urinals or any other partially stalled area), and full stalls.  Even stalls do not generally afford complete privacy as someone could look under or over them".      While it's true that stalls don't protect people form prying eyes 100% of the time, they do have the most private area in any bathroom. From what people have been saying, on this forum, that's bothering them in regards to transgender people in public bathrooms isn't the fact that she is transgender, but rather that they fear that their children would see her penis, and call in to question their own gender identity, what it means to be a women, how can women have a penis, and etc. Even at a young age, kids can recognize these gender differences, and, from what I'm guessing here, parents don't want to address these issues at such a age. However, since even at a early age kids know that looking under or over a stall is breaking a social norm, a stall offers the most secure place for men, women, and transgender students a place to use the toilet. 

     "In Ludington, public bathrooms even allow police officials to monitor them with cameras".   That's irreverent to the problem at hand. The issue isn't how public schools are taking away security from their students, but rather how schools discriminant against transgender students. 

     "Are you advocating for bathrooms that have no restrictions concerning gender to appease 'gender dysphorics', since you believe the bathroom stall is the ultimate place of bathroom privacy"?     What I'm advocating is for schools to, on a case by case basis, allow their transgender students to use the specific bathroom that they feel comfortable with. I'm not calling for the radical dismantling of gender based bathrooms. 

      "Are you not concerned for the welfare of the girls who dysphorically think they are boys using the boy's rest room and being harassed or assaulted by them due to malice or curiosity"?    I'm very concerned with that. LGBT students deal with some of the worst bullying in America. For that reason, I think health classes should start teaching more about why people are born gay, straight, bisexual, transgender, and why we shouldn't treat people differently then any of the other person.  

Comment by XLFD on January 13, 2014 at 1:44pm

William, courts have consistently defined three different levels of privacy that may exist in any public bathroom or locker room depending on whether you are in the common area, in a partially private area (like urinals or any other partially stalled area), and full stalls.  Even stalls do not generally afford complete privacy as someone could look under or over them.  In Ludington, public bathrooms even allow police officials to monitor them with cameras.  But societal norms and policies throughout USA history have always segregated male and female bathroom facilities, because they expected this type of gender privacy was best for communal bathrooms.  Let me get something clear from your perspective.  Are you advocating for bathrooms that have no restrictions concerning gender to appease 'gender dysphorics', since you believe the bathroom stall is the ultimate place of bathroom privacy? 

Second question:  Are you not concerned for the welfare of the girls who dysphorically think they are boys using the boy's rest room and being harassed or assaulted by them due to malice or curiosity?

Comment by William berkly on January 13, 2014 at 12:03am

      Will, bathrooms are already a private place, your kids, or anybody's kids, aren't going to see each other urinating/defecating. That's the purpose of stalls. They offer a private place to use the toilet. And, in the case where one of the other children were to feel uncomfortable, then it's up to the parents to sit down, and talk to their children about gender dysphoria, and explain how it happens, and why they really shouldn't feel uncomfortable, since it happens naturally, and to quite a few people.  

Comment by William berkly on January 12, 2014 at 11:55pm

      "Coy the Boy, a simple first grader, all of 7 years of age, wants to trump the entire United States legal, school, and California systems just because he feels the urge to do so?"  It's not like Coy, or her family, are doing this just for the hell of it. They're fighting the system in order for transgender people to gain the right to use the bathroom in schools. They're not forcing everyone to like transgender people, or the LGBT community, they're just trying to gain the right to be allowed to use the toilet.

     "Afterall, they have gained the attentions of not only the local school system, but the Cal. legal system, and now, the national media. Wow. Just think how famous this spoiled little kid and his entire family can become now, and God only knows, what legal mandates and precedents they can gain." You mean like the basic human right of being allowed to use the bathroom? Yeah, shame on them for fighting a corrupt system that's prejudice against minorities.

      "I'm just speaking as a simple straight male that didn't ask the entire country to look at me and ask for special treatment."    You're a white straight male in America, you didn't need to fight for your rights to be treated as a human being. Women, African Americans, Mexican Americans, and all other oppressed groups, needed to fight for their rights to be treated as equals, just as the LGBT members are doing right now. As a straight white male in America myself, I'm not crying about the injustices committed on my people, because my people have repeatedly been the oppressors over, and over again. I want right the wrongs we as a country have committed, and right now that involves helping the LGBT in their struggle. 

   

      "Berkly, the way you see this issue is probably that of about 5% of the entire nation."   Actually a growing majority of Americans are realizing that the LGBT community is in the right. I'll post the polls down below. 

     "Fact of the matter is, I don't like nor come to this forum to have such trivial crap put on my plate for consumption. Why not take this type of crap to another more appropriate forum for such debate?    Aqua, you can't have a debate unless there are two sides. Without people like me coming onto this forum, all that's going to happen is political stagnation. When people challenge your beliefs, two things can happen. 1) You change your opinion, or 2) You further strengthen your opinion. That's one of the reasons I joined here, because I didn't want to only have a view point from a left wing stance, I also want the right wing opinions too. From what I've been seeing on this site, there's a obvious right wing stance amount the members.  So by joining this site, we can both expand our views of the world and the people in it, and we can adjust our beliefs to, maybe, find a balancing point.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-most-americans-support-same-sex-un...

http://www.freedomtowork.org/?page_id=39

 http://publicreligion.org/research/2013/11/lgbt-fact-sheet/

http://www.glaad.org/publications/pulse-of-equality     

Comment by Willy on December 31, 2013 at 6:27pm

I know, It's Coy not Cory. My mistake.

Comment by Willy on December 31, 2013 at 6:21pm

William

You keep saying that Cory and other kid's like him should be allowed to use  bathrooms opposite of their physical gender so they can feel comfortable about using the toilet facilities but you repeatedly fail to recognize how uncomfortable the rest of the kids will feel. There is no way 1 person should completely change the comfort level of all the other people using a very "private" situation so they will feel comfortable. Cory will be causing the rest of the children to feel as uncomfortable as his parents claim that he feels. Cory can simply use the boys bathroom and do his business in one of the stalls. Most schools have a teachers restroom so why can't Cory use that facility. I'm afraid the Administration at Cory's school is way out of line on this situation. As you say a lot of kid's like Cory do not know how to handle the situation, so why should you expect the other children to know how to handle this situation. Kids should not be put into this type of situation, neither Cory or the rest of the children.

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