Democrat Gabrielle Giffords, a Rep from Arizona was shot in the head at a community event. Witnesses have reported hearing up to 15 shots. Injuries and fatality reports have fluctuated with reports saying that Giffords passed away although at this point, its now being reported that she is still alive but in critical condition. Its also been reported that 4 people did die in the shooting, including a child. Reportedly, the gunman approached where Giffords was speaking to a couple when he yelled something and opened fire. Other then saying that is was a male that was the gunman, nothing else that I have heard has been reported as to who the guy was.
Giffords sounds like she would be described as a blue dog democrat (she was a former republican), fiscally conservative and a gun owner. Had she been in my district, I could of seen myself voting for her possibly.
Anyhow, the story is unfolding as we speak, surely we will know much more by this evening.
"The next thing will be a push for more gun control laws by the liberals."
Here it comes RJE:
What a load of crap!
Go easy on Mary. She only voiced her concerns and opinions.
I think your views were very valid and thought provoking the other day, Mary, and as I had limited time and no canned response, I thought about it over last night. The gunman could have trained his murderous hatred towards a schoolful of children or a stadiumful of spectators. He was trying to make some political statement here, but it is disjoint from normal politics due to his skewed thinking.
His mental imbalance could have been been fueled by liberal propaganda , libertarian propaganda, or by anything his sick mind wanted to glom onto. The congresswoman may have ticked him off in the past by not responding to what he thought was a good and valid question at a public forum. When looking at the rationale of a senseless act, one tries to cover the bases of what was the trigger.
There are forums that are hateful out there, unfortunately we even cross that line at times due to our free speech guidelines, and the intensity of emotion such as a story like this evokes. I believe Aquaman thinks you have indicted talk forums and free speech outlets as a contributing factor here, and I think he is mistaken in that regard. I think you rightly pointed out that it is something to consider. In his mental state, the gunman could have attached himself to just about anything.
I've not made it here yet, but no it does not make you a bad person. 60 minutes is discussing this tonight, as will other "news programs" in the near future.
How can the guilty take responsibility if they never did. Excuses and drugs are what are raising our children. Now that I've said that, there are more ways to look at this.
Once they closed mental institutions and gave the mentally ill people rights to not take their medications, police and mental health institutions can only hold a person for no longer than 48 hours. If the patient does not want further treatment they do not have to stay or even take medications.
We may know a person is off their meds and unstable, but legally we can not keep a person hospitalized nor can we force them to take medications. It is illegal now unless there is absolute proof the person is a danger to himself.
While I am on the soapbox, it is proven that violence begets violence. The people prone to harm others or themselves were taught this as they grew up. Often they do not know any other coping skills. What has society been teaching our young during the last decade?
They do not have to take responsibility for their behaviors (ADHD is misused and used for a child who never heard the word NO carried through.
Look at computer games, internet sites children have access to. Often they glorify the bullies and violence.
Look at the schools...where is respect for authority? Rather teachers fear lawsuits so allow the kids to run wild.
My biggest blame? P A R E N T S who do not want to bother teaching kids right from wrong and who allow TV and internet to teach their kids values.
To summarize? Who is at fault?
Mental health restrictions sabatoging treatment.
Parental neglect in raising their children
Fear of government interference because kids "know their rights".
Let's not blame any person or political party for this. Put the blame where it belongs starting with parental apathy and fear of interference by child abuse investigators if they do punish the children. We've gone from extremely strict parenting to no discipline. Parents need to work together and with the schools to get back to the basics with discipline somewhere in the middle.
Now that I've said my piece, I am not sure when I'll have an opportunity to get back here so ttyl