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Passing Notes in School! ? Call the Cops!
What is this all about? I found it in an article marked public on the LDNs website today:
On Friday, February 24, a student hand delivered a note to the high school office. The note was found waded [sic] up in the hallway. The message could have been interpreted to be vaguely threatening to the high school principal. It could also have been interpreted to not be threatening. Critical incident precautions were taken in cooperation with local law enforcement.
On Monday, February 27, the same student brought another note to the high school office. Again law enforcement was involved and it was quickly determined that the student wrote both notes and that there was no threat.
Based on the findings of the investigation, it was determined that the incident would be handled internally as a school discipline issue by the Ludington Area School District.
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What's going on in Ludington? First a guy running a website that points out corruption by its officials is publicly excoriated for exercising his first amendment and FOIA rights. Then some kid who writes two nonthreatening notes is brought to the attention of all and is going to suffer some discipline for it. Is the First Amendment to the US Constitution still honored in your area or has there been some secession from the union.
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Permalink Reply by XLFD on
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My assistant has wrote a FOIA request to the Ludington Area School District concerning these events. I hope to add more when those records become available, but I hope the notes are not about "passing a bomb in the library".
Let me see now, just a few days ago we had missing young elementary kids at Franklin not necessitating LEO intervention, and now we have LEOs coming in for apparently harmless notes by a high school student. OK...
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The student's name should be rightfully withheld from us if the LASD FOIA Coordinator does their job right, and we aren't concerned with the student's name. We are interested in what the note said, and if there was a proper official reaction to it, or not.
Like Marty, I am not satisfied with incomplete reports due to public agencies withholding information from the people with a right to know. Many of us have or know kids in that school and we would like to know what's going on-- not be satisfied with a little snippet that leads to rumors birthed by ignorance.
If you wish to remain in the dark, that's your prerogative. Read the LDN.
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Alright, I guess it's official, you're an advocate for ignorance. One thing I've found out since utilizing the FOIA is that the officials will not pass a lot of the information to the people. I was a Firefighter for eight years, and created the official reports of most Fire incidents that the Ludington FD was involved in during that time, these are public records; they often contain much more than what is shared with the media.
When the local paper reported that Anthony Goldsmith had drowned in 2010, their reporting of it was strangely devoid of facts beyond the rescue efforts. There was much more to it than that as our FOIA request to the LPD uncovered, and showed that the outcome would have likely been much different with trained lifeguards at the beach.
When the facts are out there, the people can make an informed opinion and decision on those facts. I guess it is the schoolteacher in me that makes me want to educate the forces of ignorance. You have joined the Torch and have maintained basically civil conversations, so maybe there is still hope for your salvation, LOL.
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Permalink Reply by Sweater Cows! on
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" I would become personally concerned about you or your assistant trying to dig into one of my child's behavior." On one hand I have to agree with you, but on the other, I wonder what was said that warranted police involvement yet two missing kids(2nd grade I think) did not?
X,I have seen you and was it willy? call RLF ignorant and am surprised at your guys doing that as it is something we here at the torch vehemently don't want anyone doing. We have to remember that we admins must set the tone and examples of proper posting and need to be above what the ' civilians' in our quality of posts and behavior, just like we expect of our gov't.
He may disagree but he seems to be following proper protocol in his posts and have not seen him be a jerk or antagonistic. I think cabin fever is catching up to us all but lets not run off new people because we are pent up with being stuck inside all the time and have all that anxious energy needing an outlet. Sorry, not trying to overstep my bounds but sometimes..well..just gotta say what I think.
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For the record, I have refrained from calling Larry ignorant, just for being an advocate for the position of ignorance. There is a significant difference. If Larry or any others take such words as being provocative, please re-read the post and take it in its most favorable light. I believe Larry is far from being an ignorant person, and welcome the dialog.
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Permalink Reply by Willy on
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You of all people should know better than that. You have just demonstrated the reason and importance for the FOIA. If my posts were unavailable your false statement would stand as being correct and your opinion would be without challenge. You have claimed that I called Larry ignorant. If you would reread my posts you would see that I did no such thing. I called him a socialist and if you consider that the same as ignorant then Larry has an issue with you. The truth is, we are all ignorant. If we were not then we would have no reason to learn how to read. And I remind all of you who think that X,s adventures into the world of FOIA is about someone trying to rub the Government the wrong way and causing trouble that you have grossly misinterpreted what the spirit and reason for FOIA is all about. The reason for FOIA is to obtain information that the government refuses to voluntarily release. In my opinion, anytime police are involved, it is necessary for the public to know what is going on. I agree the child's name should not be released but the details of the incident should be available to anyone who has a desire to know.
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Willy, I wasn't trying to say you specifically said "ignorant", just something along those lines(the lines of being mean) But re-reading my first sentence it does appear that I did falsely state that you said that specifically. I could not remember exactly what you said and did not feel like looking it up so lumped your and X's comments together as both were what I considered mean(as in not nice). I suppose I should be specific instead of lazy. oh well, but you are correct in this" You have just demonstrated the reason and importance for the FOIA. If my posts were unavailable your false statement would stand as being correct and your opinion would be without challenge. "
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Larry
It's not important to know the thoughts and minds of people or what they "think" but it is important to know the facts and details a FOIA provides because many times it is the only way to keep track of what Government officials are doing. If your child was involved in criminal activity inside a public building then it is everyone's right to know what that activity involves.
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larry
This was the statement I posted but somehow it did not appear.
I agree if no criminal activity occurred then this matter should be between the school and parents. But we still have a right to know why the police were called.
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Being female gives me a softer approach to things than the guys around here.
I am going to try to give you the basics of what transpired,
I just wrote 5 paragraphs and deleted it because I really think it would be in your best interest of being able to understand a lot of what we talk about here to pick a thread or two a day to read at least the original post that was put up with documentaion and you will find why things are as they stand today. It will take a while but make much more sense.
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Permalink Reply by AQUAMAN on
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Methinks this is becoming more personal for Larry than is necessary. Look folks, I went to LHS and Lakeview Elem. in Ludington too, we didn't need any law enforcement there to oversee our daily activities either. We were kids, and as kids, we sometimes do things contrary to tradition and rules, that's a part of growing up and being adults later on. But, as kids, we are given a measure of leniency and latitude in behaviorisms, and the school administrators jobs is to let us be kids, and at the same time, educate and enforce that which we must learn to be constructive adults later in life. I think having law enforcement on the school grounds, in the building, or standing guard outside, is without merit, and a waste of public funds. When and if law enforcement is needed, in an emergency situation, they will be called. Until and unless things go that badly, then the cops need to be doing there job elsewhere, in the streets, and serving the public as they are hired to do.
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larry
I agree if no criminal activity occurred then this matter should be between the school and parents. But we still have a right to know why the police were called.