XLFD, is he a LIAR, PERJURER or BOTH? YOU DECIDE.

[Melinda]

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• Posted by Ronald on February 23, 2015 at 5:43pm in Torch Light
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X, as long as I’ve been here and watched you call Shay a “perjurer” without a flinch, I’ve never delved into you being one too. (That was your business) You committed perjury when you listed your voting address at your parent’s house, while actually living on Dowland. Those papers are signed under penalty of perjury. You stated on here that you never physically lived there, but to register to vote in that precinct YOU MUST RESIDE THERE stated Under penalty of perjury. The city must not have caught it and I didn’t say anything because it was YOUR business. Statute of limitations should have passed by now. If I was part of the City or County as I have been accused of by Aqueerman, I surely would have contacted Spanolia to review this long ago.
Did you ever vote in the wrong precinct? That’s a crime too.

 

FEBRUARY 2015 - HERE XLFD IS ADAMANT HE LIVED AT HIS PARENTS ON PINE STREET

 

Reply by XLFD 2 hours ago

Still you claimed "You committed perjury when you listed your voting address at your parent’s house, while actually living on Dowland. Those papers are signed under penalty of perjury." 

I considered my only 'static' residence to be at my parent's address, I would go there daily.  The Dowland address was my work address where I managed the six apartments and yet spent the majority of my time.  There was no willful deceit on my part, and no reason why I would even care at that time about which ward I was part of.  I considered that my only truly fixed address.

Reply by XLFD 3 hours ago

There is no flinch in calling John Shay a perjuror, because he is.  He swore in a court affidavit under penalty of perjury that the eleven records he gave to me in response to my FOIA lawsuit were the records I had sought in my FOIA lawsuit, knowing full well that many of them were not compliant (the extraneous records were to assist his legal defense), and full well that many that were compliant were left out-- almost twenty records with his signature on them and well known to him according to DDA records showing him at the meetings these things were decided. 

As for what you wish to claim is my perjury, I will tell you what I've said before, I registered in 1998 to vote; at that time, and even now for most intents and purposes, my mailing address and the address on my driver's license was my parent's address in the sixth ward.  Michigan law states that the same address must be used for voter registration and driver's license purpose. 

So even if I wanted to register at the Dowland residence, which was used for apartments then, and more importantly where I had no actual 'apartment' at the time I initially registered, and several times thereafter, I would have had a conundrum, and would have been lying if I had said I was living at Dowland, even though I mostly slept there each night. 

BACK IN FEBRUARY/MARCH 2012 HE IS ADAMANT HE LIVED ON HIS DOWLAND STREET ADDRESS, SAME VOTER REGISTRATION ISSUE/DIFF ADDRESS

Permalink Reply by XLFD on February 29, 2012 at 1:28pm

Larry, please show me any document that I have posted that said I live in the Sixth Ward.  For someone who said in another thread that: 

"If my child were a minor and did something in school that is determined to be legal then you have no right to dig your little claws into our lives"
"if it were one of my children, I would be very concerned if XLFD or his assistant were using FOIA's to dig into my family's personal concerns."
"If that were my child I might become personally concerned about you and your assistant trying to dig into my child's behavior."
"I would become personally concerned about you or your assistant trying to dig into one of my child's behavior. I think you would too if it were your child."
"I would be very concerned as a parent of that student if XLFD or his assistant were trying to dig too deep in my child's behavior or our family's private affairs"

 

And asked inquisitively in that same thread about whether I had been a teacher or was still teaching, you are beginning to seriously creep me out, and not just with your inconsistency. 

 

Reply by XLFD on March 3, 2012 at 10:52pm

That address is not my residence; more of a past (and sometimes present) mailing address that the county must have had on file.  I had sent PA Spaniola an E-mail, and the PA doesn't like that form of communication, and sent me a letter to where I used to be registered.  I had to re-register at the place I have physically lived at this whole millenium, 137 E Dowland Street, to be a candidate in the Third Ward. 

Kudos to you, Dale, for finding the document Larry spoke of in the archives.  It does make him a little less creepy.  But also just remember that a mailing address can differ from a street address.  I had my mail delivered to and originally registered at the Pine address, when there had been some problems with lost and misdirected mail at Dowland.

 

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Permalink Reply by XLFD on March 3, 2012 at 11:47pm

RobbyK, Dale, and your brother Larry,

I appreciate your due diligence in coming on here and being concerned about my registration, but not about the disenfranchisement performed by the City leaders.  Great priorities you have. 

The fact is that I have lived physically at my current Dowland address since 1994, initially registered at my mailing address in Ludington town in 1998 and changed that at the beginning of 2011 to make sure I qualified for the office of Third Ward Councilor.  The City of Ludington and most members of the LFD can vouch for me that the Dowland Street address has been my physical and primary mailing address since 2001. 

I must submit that three members of the City Council, the City Manager, City Clerk, and Mayor all interviewed me for the Third Ward Councilor seat in April 2011.  Councilor Castonia was the first, and none too politely, to point out my registration address was in error, a fact I corrected after the meeting, but amazingly I still didn't get the job, LOL.

Permalink Reply by XLFD on March 4, 2012 at 10:46pm

Dale,

How many times do I have to tell you.  That was not and never has been my residence, it has been a mailing address.  The letter of trespass and the WSP never says I have the right to petition John Shay for entrance.  I have done it in the past, but it has been ignored the last three or four times.  I take that as him denying that right. 

And why would anyone need permission to get John Shay's permission to enter the City Hall to vote?  Bring up a valid point, please.

 

SO which one is it? “I considered my only 'static' residence to be at my parent's address”                        OR

“The fact is that I have lived physically at my current Dowland address since 1994" ???? 

I can provide the rest of the permalinks if you like. Interesting how you can file legal papers all the way up to the Michigan Court of Appeals but are incapable of filling out the Michigan Voters Registration Card properly.

[Melinda]

Never considered making it a permanent home? 20 years later??? LOL. You PHYSICALLY lived at Dowland and literally stated "That was not and never has been my residence, it has been a mailing address" but now to serve your purpose, it is/was your residence. You're flip-flopping. You sound like a politician. YOUR statements (not mine) take away room for semantics. NEVER, WAS NOT, and How many times do I have to tell you.  That was not and never has been my residence, it has been a mailing address" are DEFINITIVE statements.

Maybe he didn't know he was lying, seems to be going around these days. Personally, I think hes entitled to own/conceal or carry anything he wants. I'm not into gun control or locals who might have a bad opinion of someone dictating who should have certain rights.

[XLFD]

Melinda, to my knowledge I registered in 1998 (that's four years), when I had no living quarters at Dowland, no address at all for Dowland I could put on the registration form for voting, no inkling of my brother deciding to rezone the place later. 

I transiently lived in certain apartments as they opened up, fixed them up better, moved out in a matter of weeks or months, but otherwise spent time at my girlfriend's or my parent's house.   These weren't permanent camps by any means at Dowland, until this century. 

[Melinda]

We can go round and round, but if you NEVER lived at your parents, (as you said) YOU registered in the wrong place. If you Voted in your parents Ward, YOU voted in the wrong place and that's taking away someones vote. Not Fair to them. If it was a liberal that did this, ALL of yous would be all over this.

[XLFD]

Your claim that I stole someone else's vote or illegally voted in a ward that I wasn't part of is bunk when you consider that I never even voted in odd year elections which the city held until this year, except for in the year 2013 at the third ward spot.  I wanted to vote for myself in 2011, but was intimidated by Shay's WSP from going to my polling place that year under the fear of a misdemeanor for stepping foot there.  I did gain some money from that disenfranchisement

But the greater point is, I never voted for or against any sixth ward councilor while I was registered in the sixth ward, or anything else that I wouldn't have been voting for if I was voting in the third ward.  City politics really didn't interest me, until I saw how dirty it was after rubbing shoulders with some of our officials.  Do you feel better now that I haven't hurt someone else's vote in the sixth ward?

[Melinda]

To begin with, I said "IF". I made no "CLAIM". "If" you registered there and "If" you voted there.Then yes, you would have stole a vote or nullified one. The thing is, IF you did then your actions are hardly any different than Shay keeping you from voting. That's because ONE persons vote would not have counted because of you, You see the parallel?

THE GREATER POINT IS - a legally registered votes' right may have been mooted, not a specific voter but a VOTE. This has nothing to do with me "feeling better". Just because you say You didn't vote means nothing, because its seriously hard to say, you changed your story to many times on this issue. TRUE POLITICAL FORM.

Second point is - When you made your statements in 2012, it was for a reason in supporting your position. You led people to believe something for a reason (adamantly),statements to support your position which is now the opposite. Backtracking on that position now has to make people wonder how many other things you backtracked on or completely said the opposite.

[XLFD]

Melinda, ultimately you must decide as to what is the answer to the question you pose in the title of this thread, which gives you three choices, all of which are rather disparaging to me.  I can only repeat that I am confident that I filled out my voter registration affidavit truthfully, and that what you claim as conflicting statements is a semantic based argument on your part on my inconsistent use of the word 'residence' over the years in responding to your various guises.

[Melinda]

i can totally see your Aunt having balls, right by her willy, her little willy rubbin up against her balls day in and day out. Too bad your to narrow minded to see more than whatever Shay has done and that it doesn't change X's facts and lies, maybe the balls are in your way. Its obvious he changed his statements to support his stories.

[Guidothesemipsuedocaptitalistpig]

Willy, don't let the good witch Melinda turn informative threads into mud slinging. The Liberals have gotten so good at winning elections, by turning off informed people who don't hold their views of the world off to even bothering.

[Melinda]

Willy, its understandable that you would want to deflect onto others. This isn’t your fault, most victims treat others this way. ITS NOT YOUR FAULT WHAT YOUR AUNT DID TO YOU!

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I left a couple links for you. We Care!! Good luck and we don’t blame you!

[XLFD]

Melinda/Robbie/Larry et. al. who seem to be the same person or at least intimately acquainted probably has to be careful with choosing their own pronoun for themselves.  Thank goodness there are so many new pronouns that (pronoun corresponding to Melinda) can use.

[stump]

I don't see what the problem is. I have 4 different residences that own and do live at some time of the year, but only one listed on my voters card. If Shay or any of the council would or could prove XLFD wrong in what he states on any subject he brings up I'm sure they would, but they don't say a word. Just set there like bumps on a log knowing they got caught again. I would say to you , look at what's going on with a open mind.

[Guidothesemipsuedocaptitalistpig]

Hi guys/gals whoever!!!! Even if the person arguing perjury here was right on her/his argument,excluding a semantics argument, the (motor voter) rules which allow persons without a residence, persons from other jurisdictions, states, countries, planets, etc would keep anyone from being prosecuted for perjury on a damned voter registration card sweetie.I seem to have a little bit of free time here to look at some of the stuff back in my (home town) place of birth.