Science or Faith: Which is Climate Change?

[XLFD]

News that doesn't fit the template:

 

Hartford CN received a record 57 inches of snow so far in January, among other record totals in the NE USA. 

 http://www.weather.com/outlook/weather-news/news/articles/northeast...

 

Dr Kevin Trenberth (of climategate fame) stated in 2009, "The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t."

In 2007, the U.N. said the Himalayan glaciers will be gone by 2035 due to man-made global warming. Yet four years later, some are advancing. (Investor's Business Daily 1-28-11)

Contrary to media reports Antarctic sea ice continues to expand. Ice totals for March 2010 are significantly higher than 1980.  

 

Sir Karl Popper was born in 1902 and was a staunchly liberal socialist.  He is most known for his philosophy of science, in which he coined the concept of falsifiability. 

Some sciences make observations and experiments and try to prove theories using a set hypothesis.  A common example would be to say that "all swans are white", and verify that thesis by finding a preponderance of white swans; this is verifiability.  To falsify the thesis, one would only have to find a non-white swan.  One black swan would debunk that hypothesis, but could initiate a new one, stronger than the first that may account for black swans. New, conflicting data, might just change that hypothesis. 

He stated that a theory should be considered scientific if and only if it is falsifiable. This led him to attack the claims of both psychoanalysis and contemporary Marxism to scientific status, on the basis that their theories are not falsifiable.

There are many well-paid and well-meaning scientists who fervently believe in the science of climate change/global warming.  They can show you a variety of white swans.  Many will say their theory is past debate, and not even take a look at the black swans they are showed.  Some may try to paint those swans white or call them ducks. This can be done most effectively by blaming everything on GW or switching 'global warming' to 'climate change'. 

When dogma is substituted for data, GW/CC becomes little more than a religion, and definitely not a science.  Yet should we scrap the analysis of climatological data, and the attempt to decipher what it is telling us?  Of course not; let's just keep it in the realm of scientific debate and process. 

 

 

[XLFD]

January Global Warming does provide us with bigger beaches, we just need to dig a hole to go swimming.

 

[Guidothesemipsuedocaptitalistpig]

Oh dear.. Almost enough to make we want to join the polar bear club even....

[Guidothesemipsuedocaptitalistpig]

Very Good point about Global climate change becoming a religion unto its self. Some of the same people who will defend man man global warming to the end. Are also the same ones who would use the plethora of major religions in the world, to dispute the fact that any can be more than fairy tales, in its desire for a more peaceful planet.

[AQUAMAN]

Yeah, and the biggest fairy tale lately came from that well know Nobel Peace Prize winner, Al Boring Gore. I'm glad Aqualad listened to me, no reprimands have been necessary, he know true science from fiction. As for that Polar Bear/bare Club Guido, where do I sign up?

[XLFD]

Sounds like we have a heavy dose of winter weather coming at us.  Climate change is a' coming.

Don't forget, Aquaman, that big spat you had with the 'Lad back when he told you he voted for Obama.

Also don't forget the best defense against someone who un apologetically bows at the altar of man-made climate change is to just laugh and hand 'em some data that refutes their beliefs.  Or show some ladies in bikinis in a snowstorm. 

[AQUAMAN]

Statistics can be boring, but that Polar Bare Club sure looks interesting, especially those cute boots that are made for walking. Was that the Washington Ave. bridge? I'm nearby usually.

[charlemagnetism]

i must be someone kind a foolish but i think there is truth to the climate warming position.  couldnt argue the point cause i do take it on faith.  thing is i don't put anything into the collection plate.

if your going to throw out pictures of babes in the snow wearing bikinis govner to argue your point, I will gladly argue you tho.

[Guidothesemipsuedocaptitalistpig]

i must be someone kind a foolish but i think there is truth to the climate warming position.

 

Which part do you disagree with Charle.. That the climate is changing? Or that we ( man) have much of anything to do with it?

You'd have to completely ignore real numbers in most parts of the world to come up with climate not changing. The part many of us don't agree with is that man has little if anything to do with it .. And even if you listen to some of the most adamant believers of the scientific community on the subject. They will tell you also if we stopped breathing or producing any greenhouse emissions tomorrow. The effects of our ( changes) would not be noticed for thousands of years. Gee that's about the 1500 year cycle that the carbon dating and such have already detected.

You know Charle?? I was just thinking this winter when the last time Ludington Got so socked with snow that they had to get a state snowthrower in to clear lakeshore drive like back in what 1978 or so?? I haven't heard from my family up there yet but are you getting there tonight?

Here in PA we are getting an ice storm, so I hope my power holds up or ill be freezing tomorrow!!

[Dave]

I have total and unequivocal faith in climate change, its real and happening..... just as its happened for millions of years, mostly long before humans were humans :-)

[XLFD]

Nice to see you back Charl, I think it took some football talk and some snow nymphs to draw you back in. 

Feel free to post any and all proof you may have for man-caused climate-warming and why it unequivocally proves the point.  Many people will jump on the bandwagon of a scientific theory if enough people endorse it.  So many non-scientists (including journalists, politicians) have glommed on to the GW/CC dogma that have their own motives behind their endorsement, that it becomes very believable to ones that have no science background.

I'm debating the point so I have to throw out another one; those metal plates have to be cool:

[AQUAMAN]

Just gotta ask ya X, are you on a Viagra fixation these days? I know it's winter, but this is giving cabin fever a new meaning as of late................hardy har. Heavy metal plates indeed.

[XLFD]

Edie pointed me to some Libertarian blogger about a month ago who convinced me that the best way to deal with 'Warmists' or 'Changers' discussing "incontrovertible pseudo-science" is to laugh and display women in bikinis cavorting about in wintry conditions. 

Yesterday, she sent a message warning me that she was going to throw out a picture of Behr cavorting about on a drift in Speedos to balance the innate sexism of just pasting lovely ladies.  Don't know where she would get such a pic, but she made her point, LOL.