X, as long as I’ve been here and watched you call Shay a “perjurer” without a flinch, I’ve never delved into you being one too. (That was your business) You committed perjury when you listed your voting address at your parent’s house, while actually living on Dowland. Those papers are signed under penalty of perjury. You stated on here that you never physically lived there, but to register to vote in that precinct YOU MUST RESIDE THERE stated Under penalty of perjury. The city must not have caught it and I didn’t say anything because it was YOUR business. Statute of limitations should have passed by now. If I was part of the City or County as I have been accused of by Aqueerman, I surely would have contacted Spanolia to review this long ago.
Did you ever vote in the wrong precinct? That’s a crime too.
FEBRUARY 2015 - HERE XLFD IS ADAMANT HE LIVED AT HIS PARENTS ON PINE STREET
Reply by XLFD 2 hours ago
Still you claimed "You committed perjury when you listed your voting address at your parent’s house, while actually living on Dowland. Those papers are signed under penalty of perjury."
I considered my only 'static' residence to be at my parent's address, I would go there daily. The Dowland address was my work address where I managed the six apartments and yet spent the majority of my time. There was no willful deceit on my part, and no reason why I would even care at that time about which ward I was part of. I considered that my only truly fixed address.
Reply by XLFD 3 hours ago
There is no flinch in calling John Shay a perjuror, because he is. He swore in a court affidavit under penalty of perjury that the eleven records he gave to me in response to my FOIA lawsuit were the records I had sought in my FOIA lawsuit, knowing full well that many of them were not compliant (the extraneous records were to assist his legal defense), and full well that many that were compliant were left out-- almost twenty records with his signature on them and well known to him according to DDA records showing him at the meetings these things were decided.
As for what you wish to claim is my perjury, I will tell you what I've said before, I registered in 1998 to vote; at that time, and even now for most intents and purposes, my mailing address and the address on my driver's license was my parent's address in the sixth ward. Michigan law states that the same address must be used for voter registration and driver's license purpose.
So even if I wanted to register at the Dowland residence, which was used for apartments then, and more importantly where I had no actual 'apartment' at the time I initially registered, and several times thereafter, I would have had a conundrum, and would have been lying if I had said I was living at Dowland, even though I mostly slept there each night.
BACK IN FEBRUARY/MARCH 2012 HE IS ADAMANT HE LIVED ON HIS DOWLAND STREET ADDRESS, SAME VOTER REGISTRATION ISSUE/DIFF ADDRESS
Larry, please show me any document that I have posted that said I live in the Sixth Ward. For someone who said in another thread that:
"If my child were a minor and did something in school that is determined to be legal then you have no right to dig your little claws into our lives"
"if it were one of my children, I would be very concerned if XLFD or his assistant were using FOIA's to dig into my family's personal concerns."
"If that were my child I might become personally concerned about you and your assistant trying to dig into my child's behavior."
"I would become personally concerned about you or your assistant trying to dig into one of my child's behavior. I think you would too if it were your child."
"I would be very concerned as a parent of that student if XLFD or his assistant were trying to dig too deep in my child's behavior or our family's private affairs"
And asked inquisitively in that same thread about whether I had been a teacher or was still teaching, you are beginning to seriously creep me out, and not just with your inconsistency.
Reply by XLFD on March 3, 2012 at 10:52pm
That address is not my residence; more of a past (and sometimes present) mailing address that the county must have had on file. I had sent PA Spaniola an E-mail, and the PA doesn't like that form of communication, and sent me a letter to where I used to be registered. I had to re-register at the place I have physically lived at this whole millenium, 137 E Dowland Street, to be a candidate in the Third Ward.
Kudos to you, Dale, for finding the document Larry spoke of in the archives. It does make him a little less creepy. But also just remember that a mailing address can differ from a street address. I had my mail delivered to and originally registered at the Pine address, when there had been some problems with lost and misdirected mail at Dowland.
RobbyK, Dale, and your brother Larry,
I appreciate your due diligence in coming on here and being concerned about my registration, but not about the disenfranchisement performed by the City leaders. Great priorities you have.
The fact is that I have lived physically at my current Dowland address since 1994, initially registered at my mailing address in Ludington town in 1998 and changed that at the beginning of 2011 to make sure I qualified for the office of Third Ward Councilor. The City of Ludington and most members of the LFD can vouch for me that the Dowland Street address has been my physical and primary mailing address since 2001.
I must submit that three members of the City Council, the City Manager, City Clerk, and Mayor all interviewed me for the Third Ward Councilor seat in April 2011. Councilor Castonia was the first, and none too politely, to point out my registration address was in error, a fact I corrected after the meeting, but amazingly I still didn't get the job, LOL.
How many times do I have to tell you. That was not and never has been my residence, it has been a mailing address. The letter of trespass and the WSP never says I have the right to petition John Shay for entrance. I have done it in the past, but it has been ignored the last three or four times. I take that as him denying that right.
And why would anyone need permission to get John Shay's permission to enter the City Hall to vote? Bring up a valid point, please.
SO which one is it? “I considered my only 'static' residence to be at my parent's address” OR
“The fact is that I have lived physically at my current Dowland address since 1994" ????
I can provide the rest of the permalinks if you like. Interesting how you can file legal papers all the way up to the Michigan Court of Appeals but are incapable of filling out the Michigan Voters Registration Card properly.
If we are not talking about an official document by the jurisdiction your implying x is somehow defrauding you are definitely arguing semantics and and really stretching the hell out of them for what purpose seems obvious.
You know if you guys would not respond to this bull shit posting it would just die.
The one thing I am totally guilty of is feeding the trolls that come on here.
"Melinda" will at some point leave the discussion, take her content, which I'm sure she'll permalink to for future trolling, and probably come back claiming bloody murder, someone banned her, when the website knows otherwise.
It's amusing, but it does eventually grow stale when all she brings forth is her interpretations of rules she rarely mentions, and words other people write, and combines them for her version of things, which can probably confuse the casual reader. I'll give her no more food for this thread, I promise.
592. In the law of evidence. Anything which may be presented as evidence to the senses of the adjudicating tribunal. The term “instruments of evidence” includes not merely documents, but witnesses and living things which may be presented for inspection. 1 Whart Ev.
In the case of voting address of any resident of the city of Ludington, none of your dictionary definition of an instrument applies, as I laid out in the MI Motor Voter act. A court would care less about your whining about a technicality. You act as if any adjudicating authority would bother with your minutia. We have a Secretary of State who will basically get off on the " What difference does it make" defense for gross negligence. So I see no way your whiny diatribe is anything more than just that. I love that fact liberals get beat by their own arguments most of the time. In the case of small town elections Mailing, static, Moving, floating, dissolving, are easier covered by a simple "I forgot". Further I only see one whiny child like creature on here arguing a different view.
Sorry guys, I had to vent one last time Ill stop now.
Thanks to all that participated in this disgusting and extravagant loss of time, and brain drain. I heard Rush say something today that made sense, and it goes like this: "You can't argue, nor debate with a fool". Definition: one devoid of common sense, a simpleton, a clown, a dupe. I think Rush's observation fits here quite accurately, wouldn't you agree my friends? I know X likes to play cat and mouse with these fools, but I think we have more class than to answer this thread anymore. At least I'm calling it quits now, and good riddens.