GOOD JOB GOOD BYE

[Heaven Therzke]

this last week i changed my mind about this sight.  i came on here a coupla months ago  just to goof on you guys sounding so serius about little things that i played the devils advicate.  i'm not admited to be the smartest person around but ive heard some bad stuff about rotta/x-lfd and others here from people you might expect of which i wont say here for fear of them finding my id.  truth is there is a lot of there stories which don't add up and i have seen pettyness in there stories and likely lies.  there is a lot here at this sight that is noble and i have not seen anyone trying to smear anyone other than people calling me the troll..... i was.

i remember listening to rotta/x-lfd debating counsilor holmen about the water towers on the radio just before the election and she seemed to have prepared for it but was had a hard time with her facts and numbers.  he came thru fairly clear.  she sounded very mean and hippocritical.  i read thru the past postings about this water tower using the search option here and was suprised that it was based on the cities own records and out in the open with big number s that don't add up to a good deal.  i am concerned a bit that the city officeals have not come up with any sort of reason for this.  x-lfd found something..... there is something there but what?  i still think hes crazy for going up aginst these people without a small army but  i will still track this sight.  but i feel if i continue speaking here my id will be discovered and i would pay if i was shone to be simpathetic to stuff.  good bye and continue the good job but mind your back.

[XLFD]

Thank you for your change of heart, Heaven, and even though you are not a member of the Ludington Torch right now, you can always re-enter, or send me anything you think is relevant to us at my Email address:  [e-mail] .

I have no idea what may have caused Heaven's revelation, but it is always nice to hear someone who may be close to or part of what we so often point out here as the problem, tell us that what we are doing is noble and fair.  Some of us have faulted Heaven for her points, but her posting here does seem to be on target, from my biased and skewed perspective, of course.  I wish you luck, Heaven, and hope you can be part of the solution.

[Willy]

X. Your a lot more forgiving than me. I don't buy heaven's story. I don't trust anyone who comes onto a site and tries to antagonize the other participants and then turns around and says "never mind". If he/she has any information to share he/she should have contacted you if they really want to help instead leaving a goodbye post and saying they don't want to be recognized. The goodbye is the only post that is semi-sympathetic to you and anyone else on this forum. Why would someone leave a post for everyone to read if their intention is to remain concealed. If he/she wanted to be under the radar they would have deleted their tracks to avoid being recognize. Sounds like some more B.S. to me.

[Heaven Therzke]

dont' judge me willy.  in areas around town that arent' simpathetic to the torch and its founder he is the second coming of lucifer.  but it think the meaning of lucifer is the one who brings forth light.  i am thinking he is more like that one person in mithology that daily got his heart ripped out for bringing the knouledge of fire to man kind. 

i know they are telling some lies and i think they are doing it to make x-lfd and everyone who supports his efforts into devils.  they are rachetting it up now that x-lfd is biting back other then just barking.

[Willy]

Heaven

Your the one who came on here to cause trouble so judging you is easy and deserved. As far as I'm concerned, until you can show more respect for other posters you will be viewed with suspicion. You talk about judging, that's all you did to X the entire time you posted. 

[XLFD]

Heaven, that was Prometheus from Greek Mythology, and I wish to thank you for that metaphorical message of yours, I think you may be a deeper thinker than many of us give you credit for (I think it's the spelling and grammar issues), which to me are less material to me than the contents of your thoughts, which seem to be broadening.

 

Imagine, a lesser titan who falls from grace from the other titans for having the audacity of bringing the forbidden secret of fire to the realm of mankind.  For which he is chained to a rock by those titans, having a bird come and rip his heart out daily. 

Replace 'lesser titan' with XLFD, 'falls from grace' with 'contests a bicycle traffic ticket', 'other titans' with 'Ludington City Hall', 'forbidden secret of fire' with 'The Ludington Torch', 'mankind' with 'Ludington citizens', and 'bird' with 'the City Manager and Manistee City Attorneys'.  Bravo on your analogy, Heaven.

[AQUAMAN]

When someone comes on this forum with a psycho name, Rom Totta, Sohn Jay, several others, all having the names reversed, same as Heaven/Heather, it's got to make you suspicious of the same troll returning with different email addresses to get on board. Guy named Dave R. in the past, not ours, did it many times, and probably is still him or some ally of his. I've known about assorted types of corruption first and second hand in Ludington for decades, only problem now is it's getting vicious and extreme, right in our faces, with no regret, no legal remedies, no shame, no recalls, a scared and timid citizenry that, for fear like Heaven, won't get involved to change it for the better. See you later Heather/Heaven, in your new disguise in a few weeks or months. Meanwhile, I trust and pray the Torchers will carry on in good faith and honesty, not for praise nor attention, but for our moral and ethical future.

[easymoney]

I quess for fear of repercussion, we have to give up our principles. The old, I have to live here syndrom

And people wonder why things never seem to change, when they are not willing to get involved.

I guess its pretty self explanatory?

[AQUAMAN]

Heaven, you can report back to your cohorts at City Hall and anywhere else, that the COL and particularly Shay, Barnett, and Hendersen all brought this torch/lucifer thing upon themselves. Had they not been so arrogant, abrasive, and full of vanity, they would have dropped that bicycle ticket long ago, and reinstated X to LFD and his job at Dow, both being his main livelihood and occupation of time daily. I would prefer to call it pandora's box that they opened. Unlike Jim MIller, Jack Beyers, Larry Tondu, Ralph Morrill, and several others ousted from city jobs unfairly, with contempt, and illegally, X has made a stand to investigate corruption to it's highest levels. The usual suspects as some named above, all just faded away into the smoke and fog, which is what the COL usually gets to count on. They erred on this big time, but their arrogance and vanity must prevail, at any cost, and any time it takes for it to go away. When you have the gold of the taxpayers backing you to the hilt, you can play this chess game into infinity, or so they think. Time and the judicial system may tell us different someday, I would hope. Btw, it only took you 9 days to return, and welcome back I say, as long as you can be polite and objective to the issues discussed.