Greenpeace Founder at Senate Hearing: No Scientific Proof for Global Warming

[XLFD]

On Tuesday, one of the co-founders of Greenpeace, Patrick Moore, Ph.D., testifying in front of a Senate subcommittee told them something that you will probably hearing more of in the future:  "There is no scientific proof that human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) are the dominant cause of the minor warming of the Earth’s atmosphere over the past 100 years."  He backed his words with a scathing critique of the 'climate change' movement's history, while backing his own words with an extensive history lesson about temperatures, carbon dioxide levels, and how a little bit of climate change would probably be a good thing.  He even hypothesized that mankind's recent usage of fossil fuels may have helped a global trend of having low CO2 levels.

As our City, two townships, and Mason County begin to construct our comprehensive plan with the Land Information Access Association (LIAA) on the precept that global warming (masked by the syllogism 'climate change') is real and will create real disasters that will adversely affect our future, such admissions of insufficiencies in the science of climatology and their seriously flawed computer models and forecasts, should have our leaders look at any planning based on climate change with a high degree of skepticism.  Unfortunately, the typical agendas behind those that crisis-monger global warming match the agendas of most Planning Commissions and progressive local governments, which is to assert as much governmental power over the people so that private property rights diminish to the point where only the planners will have them.

If you are on the local Planning Commissions or legislative bodies of these groups, do not be misled.  Read what Dr. Moore says in its entirety here.  Or accept his opening statement, and look at the charts and the few excerpts I have here from his lengthy rebuke of the science of global warming, from one who was once its main proponent.

Statement of Patrick Moore, Ph.D.

Before the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, Subcommittee on Oversight

February 25, 2014

"Natural Resource Adaptation: Protecting ecosystems and economies"

Chairman Whitehouse, Ranking Member Inhofe, and members of the Committee. Thank you for the opportunity to testify at today’s hearing.

In 1971, as a PhD student in ecology I joined an activist group in a church basement in Vancouver Canada and sailed on a small boat across the Pacific to protest US Hydrogen bomb testing in Alaska. We became Greenpeace.

After 15 years in the top committee I had to leave as Greenpeace took a sharp turn to the political left, and began to adopt policies that I could not accept from my scientific perspective. Climate change was not an issue when I abandoned Greenpeace, but it certainly is now.

There is no scientific proof that human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) are the dominant cause of the minor warming of the Earth’s atmosphere over the past 100 years. If there were such a proof it would be written down for all to see. No actual proof, as it is understood in science, exists.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) states: "It is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century." (My emphasis)

"Extremely likely" is not a scientific term but rather a judgment, as in a court of law. The IPCC defines "extremely likely" as a "95-100% probability". But upon further examination it is clear that these numbers are not the result of any mathematical calculation or statistical analysis. They have been "invented" as a construct within the IPCC report to express "expert judgment", as determined by the IPCC contributors.

These judgments are based, almost entirely, on the results of sophisticated computer models designed to predict the future of global climate. As noted by many observers, including Dr. Freeman Dyson of the Princeton Institute for Advanced Studies, a computer model is not a crystal ball. We may think it sophisticated, but we cannot predict the future with a computer model any more than we can make predictions with crystal balls, throwing bones, or by appealing to the Gods.

Perhaps the simplest way to expose the fallacy of "extreme certainty" is to look at the historical record. With the historical record, we do have some degree of certainty compared to predictions of the future. When modern life evolved over 500 million years ago, CO2 was more than 10 times higher than today, yet life flourished at this time. Then an Ice Age occurred 450 million years ago when CO2 was 10 times higher

than today. There is some correlation, but little evidence, to support a direct causal relationship between CO2 and global temperature through the millennia. The fact that we had both higher temperatures and an ice age at a time when CO2 emissions were 10 times higher than they are today fundamentally contradicts the certainty that human-caused CO2 emissions are the main cause of global warming.

Today we remain locked in what is essentially still the Pleistocene Ice Age, with an average global temperature of 14.5oC. This compares with a low of about 12oC during the periods of maximum glaciation in this Ice Age to an average of 22oC during the Greenhouse Ages, which occurred over longer time periods prior to the most recent Ice Age. During the Greenhouse Ages, there was no ice on either pole and all the land was tropical and sub-tropical, from pole to pole. As recently as 5 million years ago the Canadian Arctic islands were completely forested. Today, we live in an unusually cold period in the history of life on earth and there is no reason to believe that a warmer climate would be anything but beneficial for humans and the majority of other species. There is ample reason to believe that a sharp cooling of the climate would bring disastrous results for human civilization.

Moving closer to the present day, it is instructive to study the record of average global temperature during the past 130 years. The IPCC states that humans are the dominant cause of warming "since the mid-20th century", which is 1950. From 1910 to 1940 there was an increase in global average temperature of 0.5oC over that 30-year period. Then there was a 30-year "pause" until 1970. This was followed by an increase of 0.57oC during the 30-year period from 1970 to 2000. Since then there has been no increase, perhaps a slight decrease, in average global temperature. This in itself tends to negate the validity of the computer models, as CO2 emissions have continued to accelerate during this time.

The increase in temperature between 1910-1940 was virtually identical to the increase between 1970-2000. Yet the IPCC does not attribute the increase from 1910-1940 to "human influence." They are clear in their belief that human emissions impact only the increase "since the mid-20th century". Why does the IPCC believe that a virtually identical increase in temperature after 1950 is caused mainly by "human influence", when it has no explanation for the nearly identical increase from 1910-1940?

It is important to recognize, in the face of dire predictions about a 2oC rise in global average temperature, that humans are a tropical species. We evolved at the equator in a climate where freezing weather did not exist. The only reasons we can survive these cold climates are fire, clothing, and housing. It could be said that frost and ice are the enemies of life, except for those relatively few species that have evolved to adapt to freezing temperatures during this Pleistocene Ice Age. It is "extremely likely" that a warmer temperature than today’s would be far better than a cooler one.

I realize that my comments are contrary to much of the speculation about our climate that is bandied about today. However, I am confident that history will bear me out, both in terms of the futility of relying on computer models to predict the future, and

the fact that warmer temperatures are better than colder temperatures for most species.

If we wish to preserve natural biodiversity, wildlife, and human well being, we should simultaneously plan for both warming and cooling, recognizing that cooling would be the most damaging of the two trends. We do not know whether the present pause in temperature will remain for some time, or whether it will go up or down at some time in the near future. What we do know with "extreme certainty" is that the climate is always changing, between pauses, and that we are not capable, with our limited knowledge, of predicting which way it will go next.

Thank you for the opportunity to present my views on this important subject.

Attached please find the chapter on climate change from my book, "Confessions of a Greenpeace Dropout: The Making of a Sensible Environmentalist". I would request it be made part of the record.

"Why are there 300 million people in the United States and only 30 million in Canada, which is larger geographically? One word answers this question: cold. About 80 percent of Canadians live within 100 miles of the U.S. border, as it is warmer there (although not by much in many regions) than it is in 90 percent of Canada, which is frozen solid for six or more months of the year."

"The situation is complicated further by the revelations of "Climategate" in November 2009, which clearly showed that many of the most influential climate scientists associated with the IPCC have been manipulating data, withholding data, and conspiring to discredit other scientists who do not share their certainty that we are the main cause of global warming.  It has also been well documented that the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Science, which is responsible for one of the primary temperature records, has dropped a large number of weather stations, mainly in colder regions, thus likely making it seem warming is occurring even though this may not be the case.   The situation is in such a state of flux that it may be several years before an objective process is in place to sort out what is believable and what is not."

"This is perhaps my most heretical thought: that our CO2 emissions may be largely beneficial, possibly making the coldest places on earth more habitable and definitely increasing yields of food crops, energy crops, and forests around the entire world. Earlier I referred to my meeting with James Lovelock, the father of the Gaia Hypothesis and one of the world’s leading atmospheric scientists. I found it strange he was so pessimistic about the future, and cast our species as a kind of rogue element in the scheme of life."

"As of 2013 it has become clear that the global temperature stopped rising 16 years ago, after a 20-year period of increasing temperature. This is despite the fact that CO2 emissions have continued to rise at an increasing rate. No scientist professes to know why global warming has stopped, but many continue to believe humans are driving a "climate catastrophe." Experts and opinion leaders who have publicly bought into the climate crisis hypothesis are obviously reluctant to change their views. They can’t do so without losing face, having invested their reputations in such a high- profile issue. There is a sense that the true believers have become the real deniers.

Considering that the increase in temperature has stopped for the time being, and noting the three issues of the "Climategate" scandal, the col- lapse of the Copenhagen conference, and the errors in the 2007 IPCC report, it seems clear that the foundation of climate change alarmism has been shaken. Many top scientists have made public statements to distance themselves from the supposed prevailing view."

"At this writing the developments in the climate change debate are changing faster than the climate itself. The public is becoming more skeptical by the day, while the believers work doubly hard to shore up their position, assuring us warming will eventually return in earnest. This may be, but it is not happening now, and even If warming does recur in future, that by itself won’t prove that we are the main cause. I remain open to new information and continue to follow the discussion on a daily basis."

[Willy]

Excellent work X. If this type of reporting was in the LDN I would renew my subscription.

[XLFD]

Thanks, Willy, but let me just clarify that after the color chart in the middle of the thread head, where I have various paragraphs set of with parentheses, are word-for-word excerpts from his book.  The entirety of the presentation is in that one link at the beginning, and is worth reading if you want to be able to hold your own on a debate on climate change, resiliency or sustainable development. 

I will be doing a few threads on this topic in the next few months, to counter LIAA's foundational beliefs. 

[Dave]

I heard about this yesterday and was going to start a thread myself, you beat me to it. I got to wonder when more of the 'experts' are going to start changing their tune about how real the man made change is... hopefully this guys revelation is just the tip of the iceberg.

[XLFD]

A growing iceberg, as we continue with our 16 year trend of cooling. 

Dave, others, keep your eyes open for news on the topic of global climate warming change , I am very interested in the topic as it relates to what our comprehensive plan is going to look like. 

If climate change is an urban myth, then why base our master plan on resiliency to the problems associated with this chimerical concept?  At the next meeting of LIAA with our Planning Commissions, I will have to wear a tinfoil hat to show them that I belong in their illuminati.

[Willy]

Posted below is The Global Warming Petition Project which was signed by over 31,000 scientist who do not agree with the chicken little's who are predicting global disasters due to increased co2 in the atmosphere. Also posted is the study they signed on to.

Study

http://www.petitionproject.org/gw_article/GWReview_OISM150.pdf

Copy of a signed petition

http://www.petitionproject.org/

Scientists who signed the petition

http://www.petitionproject.org/signers_by_last_name.php?run=all

 Petition signers from Michigan

Douglas R. Abbott, V. Harry Adrounie, PhD, Henry Albaugh, Dave Alexander, Amos Robert Anderson, PhD, Craig A. Anderson, James R. Anderson, Jon C. Anderson, MD, Mitchell Anderson, R. L. Anderson, Rodney C. Anderson, PhD, Peter R. Andreana, PhD, Mohammed R. Ansari, Clifford B. Armstrong Jr., Robert Lee Armstrong, PhD, Charles G. Artinian, MD, Tom Asmas, PhD, Donald W. Autio, Charles R. Bacon, PhD, Lloyal O. Bacon, Mary Bacon, Terry Baker, George Bakopoulos, Jeffrey R Bal, Carr W. Baldwin, Ronald L. Ballast, Dan W. Bancroft, Rudolph Neal Band, PhD, Richard A. Barca, Thomas Barfknecht, PhD, Michael J. Barjaktarovich, Daniel D. Barnard, Tom Barnard, Josh T. Barnes, Donald J. Barron, Ceo E. Bauer, Frederick Bauer, PhD, Thomas Bauer, Barry A. Bauermeister, Wallace E. Beaber, Bruce A. Beachnau, DVM, Joseph M. Beals, MD, William Boone Beardmore, PhD, Wayne D. Beasley, DVM, William W Beaton, Carl G. Becker, Bob W. Belfit, Dwight A. Bell, Thomas G. Bell, PhD, Daniel Thomas Belmont, PhD, John V. Bergh, Ernest Bergman, Jeffrey J. Best, Robert Bilski, James R. Bishop, Charles E. Black, Tomas H. Black, Henry S Blair, Luther L. Blair, John R. Blaisdell, Dav Blakenhagen, Barbara Blass, PhD, Brian Bliss, Larry D. Blumer, John G. Bobak, Lawrence C. Boczar, David Edwin Boddy, PhD, Willard A. Bodwell, Wladimir E. Boldyreff, Elizabeth Bolen, PhD, Scott Boman, William Bond, Lawrence P. Bonicatto, Philip Borgending, David P. Borgeson, Dwight D. Bornemeier, PhD, Steven L. Bouws, Alan D. Boyer, David Brackney, Gary L. Bradley, DVM, Peggy A. Brady, PhD, Mark S. Braekevelt, Alan David Brailsford, PhD, James A. Brandt, Albert J. Brant, Webb Emmett Braselton, PhD, Harvey H. Braun, James I. Breckenfeld, MD, Ross J. Bremer, Bart J. Bremmer, Michael J. Brennan, MD, William A. Brett, Darlene Rita Brezinski, PhD, Blaschke Briggs, Dale Edward Briggs, PhD, Phil N. Brink, Paul Brittain, B. J. Broad, Tammy A. Brodie, DVM, William J. Broene, Richard K. Bronder, James S. Brooks, John W. Broviac, MD, J. Brower, Richard R. Brown, Richard B. Brown, PhD, Roy T. Browning, Burton Dale Brubaker, PhD, Douglas B. Brumm, PhD, Paul O. Buchko, Charles D. Bucska, Stephen G. Buda, David E. Bullock, David Richard Buss, PhD, Stephen L. Bussa, Ceil Bussiere, Frank L. Butts, DVM, Forrest K. Byers, David Byrd, Derek Byrd, Charles Cain, PhD, Louis Capellari, Darrel E. Cardy, F. L. Carlsen Jr., Peter E. Carmody, MD, Paul Carolan, E. Louis Caron, Glenn S. Carter, MD, Steven K. Casey, William J. Cauley, Robert Champlin, PhD, Daniel W. Chapman, C. Robert Charles, MD, Benjamin Frederic Cheydleur, Lawrence O. Chick, Dale J. Chodos, MD, Sue C. Church, MD, Gene S. Churgin, Joseph R. Cissell, Robert Malden Claflin, PhD, William Clank, MD, Tim Clarey, PhD, John R. Clark, MD, John C. Clark, John Alden Clark, PhD, Kent Clark, Richard P. Clarke, PhD, Bill Cleary, Paul W. Clemo, William G. Clemons, M. Gerald Cloherty, MD, Samuel W. Coates, PhD, James L. Coburn, PhD, Chester Coccia, Flossie Cohen, MD, Paul L. Cole, A. Collard, Ralph O. Collter, William B. Comai, MD, John F. Conroy, Robert C. Cook, Daniel M. Cooper, Bahne C. Cornilsen, PhD, John D. Cowlishaw, PhD, R. E. Craigie Jr., Ronald Cresswell, PhD, Dale Scott Cromez, Dean A. Cross, C. Richard Crowther, PhD, Warren B. Crummett, PhD, Kenneth D Cummins, Merlyn Curtis, Charles Eugene Cutts, PhD, Robert C. Cyman, Werner J. Dahm, PhD, Paul D. Daly, Nicholas Darby, PhD, Forrester B. Darling, Kent R. Davis, Ralph Anderson Davis, H. M. DeBoe, Daniel DeBoer, Dennis B. Decator, James L Delahanty, E. F. Delitala, John A. DeMattia, Frank Willis Denison, PhD, Robert Dennett, Glenn O. Dentel, David R. Derenzo, Larry D. Dersheid, Maruthi N. Devarakonda, PhD, Jaap B. Devevie, MD, Marco J. Di Biase, MD, Aaron M. Dick, Reynold J. Diegel, PhD, Jerry A. Dieter, PhD, Alma Dietz, David Ross Dilley, PhD, Pryia C. Dimantha, Jim V. Dirkes, James D. Dixon, PhD, Thomas A. Doane, Herbert Dobbs, PhD, Timothy F. Dobson, DVM, Glen R. Dodd, Dale E. Doepker, John Domagala, PhD, Thomas Donahue, B. Donin, Thomas MC Donnell, Michael Cameron Drake, PhD, Gary M Drayton, Michael T. Drewyor, James F. Driscoll, PhD, S. C. Dubois, LeRoy Dugan, PhD, Gary Rinehart Dukes, PhD, L. Jean Dunegan, MD, Duane F. Dunlap, Harold Dunn, William A. Dupree, James A. Durr, Beecher C. Eaves, Earl A. Ebach, PhD, Gordon Eballardyce, Floyd S. Eberts, PhD, Dale P. Eddy, Robert Egbers, Val L Eichenlaub, PhD, Jacob Eichhorn, PhD, Paul J. Eisele, PhD, Jack R. Elenbaas, Hans George Elias, PhD, Richard I. Ellenbogen, MD, Duane F. Ellis, Robert W. Ellis, PhD, Rodney Elmore, Mark Elwell, PhD, Gordon H. Enderle, Don J. Erickson, Lars Eriksson, Shanonn E. Etter, De James J. Evanoff, Bradley Evans, MD, David Hunden Evans, PhD, Leonard Evans, PhD, Eugene C. Fadler, Robert Feisel, William John Felmlee, Robert Fenech, Howard Ferguson, James H. Fernandes, Verno Fernandez, PhD, Marion S. Ferszt, MD, Terence M. Filipiak, Charles Richard Finch, PhD, John Bergeman Fink, PhD, Donald W. Finney Jr., Henry P. Fleischer, Gary R. Foerster, Jay Ernest Folkert, PhD, Dwain Ford, PhD, Gary L. Foreman, Mary R. Forintos, Ingemar Bjorn Forsblad, PhD, Guy J Del Franco, Bruce A. Frandsen, Douglas Frantz, Lewis G. Frasch, Nile Nelson Frawley, PhD, James L. Frey, MD, Wilfred Lawson Freyberger, Robert Edsel Friar, PhD, Thomas W. Fritchek, Edwin H Frowbieter Jr., James H. Frye, MD, Lyle E. Funkhouser, James A. Gallagher, PhD, Harendra Sakarlal Gandhi, PhD, Kent Gardner, H. Richard Garner, Jay B. Gassel, Geoffrey C. Geisz, Charles B Gentry, John W. Gesink, PhD, Lawrence J. Giacoletto, PhD, Randy Gibbs, Kernon M. Gibes, Timothy P. Gilberg, Warren D. Gilbert, Tony Gill, Gary Gillespie, MD, Thomas D. Gillespie, PhD, Tim Gilson, Dan Glazier, Robert I. Goldsmith, MD, Herbert H. Goodwin, Sanford Jay Gorney, Gary J. Gorsalitz, Stephen R. Gorsuch, Vincent J. Granowicz, Geraldine Green, PhD, Marvin L. Green, Charles W Greening, Henry V. Greenwood, David Henry Gregg, PhD, John D. Grier, Robert F. Gurchiek, Robert J. Gustin, Robert A. Haapala, Herald A. Habenicht, MD, William C. Haefner, DVM, William Carl Hagel, PhD, Russell H. Hahn, Forest E. Haines, PhD, Raymond M. Halonen, George J. Hambalgo, MD, Ralph E. Hamilton, Philip Hampton, Martin J. Hanninen, Daniel L. Hanson, Stewart T. Harman, Timothy A. Harmsen, Arthur B. Harris, B. Harris, Bruce V. Harris, James Edward Harris, Keith N Harris, Kenneth Harris, William A. Harrity, MD, Albert Hartman, William Louis Hase, PhD, Irwin O. Hasenwinkle, Richard E. Haskell, PhD, Bruce D. Hassen, Gregory J. Havers, James P. Hebbard, Donald B. Heckenlively, PhD, John Heckman, PhD, James B. Heikkinen, Kevin G. Heil, Richard L Heiny, PhD, Ed W. Hekman, Alan K. Hendra, MD, Tom A. Hendrickson, Owen A. Heng, PhD, William A Hennigan, Raymond L. Henry, PhD*, William J. Henry, Neal Hepner, Jerry L. Herrendeen, Luis F. Herrera, MD, Todd W. Herrick, Robert A. Herzog, John C. Hill, PhD, Raymond Hill Jr., Gregory D. Hines, John R. Hines, Marshall Hines, W. G. Hines, PhD, Jack T. Hinkle, PhD, Jack Wiley Hinman, PhD, Jivig Hinman, PhD, Roger R. Hinshaw, Kenneth Hinze, Ralph J. Hodek, PhD, Charles P. Hodgkinson, MD, John P. Hoehn, PhD, Kenneth M. Hoelst, Richard Hofsess, David V. Holli, Don H. Holzhei, PhD, William John Horvath, PhD*, Robert L. Hosley, Eric C. Houze, Scott Hover, Robert George Howe, PhD, Thomas J. Hrubovsky, Eugene Yuching Huang, John A. Hudak, Larry Hudson, Harold L. Hughes, John R. Hughes, Bradley Eugene Huitema, PhD, Calvin T. Hulls, MD, Mary Anne Hunter, Frank Hussey, John M Hutto, MD, David Peter Hylander, Bradley S. Hynes, Marvin H. Ihnen, Raymond Ingles, David C. Irish, Donald Richard Isleib, PhD, Asaad Istephan, PhD, John F. Itnyre, MD, Thomas R Jackson, DVM, Richard G. Jacobs, Ray Jaglowski, Arnold Jagt, C. C. Jakimowicz, Daryl N. James, Borek Janik, PhD, Edward S. Jankowski, Dennis C. Jans, Steven M. Japar, PhD, John A. Jaszczak, PhD, Bernard Jerome, Guy C. Jeske, Gerald E. Johnson, Gordon E. Johnson, James S. Johnson, Frank Norton Jones, PhD, Bernard William Joseph, Raymond P. Joseph, Richard Harvey Kabel, Michael G. Kalinowski, Jeremy M. Kallenbach, PhD, Brian D. Kaluzny, Margaret A. Kaluzny, Joseph M. Kanamueller, PhD, Alexander A. Kargilis, Neil R. Karl, Lawrence A. Kasik, Raymond J. Kastura, Jack H. Kaufman, MD, Thomas H. Kavanagh, DVM, Charles Kelly, Peter Kelly, Mike Kendall, Wilbur W. Kennett, William G. Kern, Majiid Khalatbari, J. S. King, PhD, Horst Kissel, Karel Kithier, PhD, Edgar W. Kivela, PhD, Bruce Holmes Klanderman, PhD, Rolf E. Kleinau, Gerald J. Kloock, Charles Philip Knop, PhD, Wayne Knoth*, Chung-Yu Ko, Ludovik F. Koci, William P. Koelsch, DVM, John C. Koepele, Adam J. Kollin, Michael K. Kondogiani, Joseph P. Konwinski, Dale W. Koop, Raoul Kopelman, PhD, R. Kosarski, Robert Allen Koster, PhD, Louis C. Kovach, James E Kowalczyk, Adam Kozma, PhD, Ted Kozowyk, Kenneth Kramer, Tom J. Krasovec, David J. Krause, PhD, John Belshaw Kreer, PhD, James W Kress, PhD, Kenneth S. Kube, MD, David J. Kubicek, Edward P. Kubiske, Richard E. Kuelske, Andrew Kujawiak, Gerard J. Kulbieda, Norman R. Kurtycz, Martin D. Kurtz, Clayton La Pointe, PhD, Edward R. Lady, PhD, Thomas J. Laginess, Kenneth Lagrand, Donald Joseph Lamb, PhD, Jeffrey C. Lamb, Richard W Lambrecht Jr., Harold H. Lang, PhD, Ronald A. Lang, George R Lange, William R Langolf, DVM, Richard L. Lanier, DVM, James J. Laporte, Vernon L. Larrowe, PhD, Elisabeth Larsen, Eric R. Larsen, PhD, Kenneth Larson, Michael G. Last, Ruth C. Laugal, Daniel G. Laviolette, Walter E. Lawrence, Edward J. Lays, Ruben C. Legaspi, MD, John M. Leinonen, F. Lemke, PhD, Geoffrey Lenters, PhD, Dennis J. Leonard, PhD, Joseph W. Leone, Bruno Leonelli, Frederick C. Levantrosser, Roy W. Linenberg, John C. Linton, Michael Forrester Lipton, PhD, Kurt R. List, Georgetta S. Livingstone, PhD, Edward T. Lock, James E. Lodge, Steve Loduca, PhD, Lawrence Hua Hsien Louis, PhD, Don L. Loveless, Cole Lovett, PhD, Marvin Lubbers, Frederick E. Lueck, Mike Lueck, Donald R. Lueking, PhD, Robert Luetje, Randolph M. Luke, James R Lumley, Dwight E. Lutsko, Dick J. Macadams, Dick MacDonald II, MD, John F. Macgregor, MD, John T. Madl, Wiliam Thomas Magee, PhD, Edward W. Maki, Eugene R. Maki, Ernest W. Malkewitz, David J. Maness, Phillip Warren Mange, PhD, L.B. Mann, Nasrat George Mansoor, George E. Marks, George E. Maroney, PhD, Dennis Marshall, Norman B. Marshall, PhD, Richard Marshall, George H. Martin, PhD, Ronald H. Martineau, Conrad Jerome Mason, PhD, John L. Massingill Jr., PhD, Mark L. Matchynski, Mundanilkuna A. Mathew, PhD, David C. Matzke, Augustin D. Matzo, S. Mazil, PhD, William C McAllister, Shaun Leaf McCarthy, PhD, Leslie Paul McCarty, PhD, Neil McClellan, Edward L. McConnell, Donald Alan McCrimmon, PhD, Michael C. McDermit, William J. McDonough, Robert D. McElhaney, MD, Jeffrey A. McErlean, MD, Daniel R. McGuire, Richard J. McMurray, MD, Ruth D. McNair, PhD, Dennis McNeal, Dan B. McVickar, PhD, Ken Mead, Rodney Y. Meade, Loida S. Medina, MD, Dale J. Meier, PhD, Peter D. Meister, PhD, Joseph Meites, PhD, George W. Melchior, PhD, Bohdan Melnyk, Albert R. Menard, PhD, George D. Mendenhall, PhD, Roberto Merlin, PhD, James S. Merlino, Herman Merte, PhD, Donald Irwin Meyer, PhD, Heinz Friedrich Meyer, PhD, Howard J. Meyer, Robert F. Meyer, PhD, Eugene Mezger, MD, Joseph M. Michalsky, David Michelson, Carol J. Miller, PhD, Herman L. Miller, John W Miller, PhD, Steven J. Miller, DVM, Francis J. Mills II, Jack F. Mills, PhD, James A. Mills, Mark M. Miorelli, William J Mitchell, Philip V. Mohan, Lydia Elizabeth Moissides-Hines, PhD, Lawrence J Moloney, David G. Mooberry, Eugene R. Moore, PhD, Leonard O. Moore, PhD, Richard Anthony Moore, PhD, Ronald Morash, PhD, Gene E. Morgan, Mark A. Moriset, Charles R. Morrison, Timothy B. Mostowy, Bob Mottice, Peter Roy Mould, PhD, Craig Brian Murchison, PhD, Pamela W. Murchison, PhD, Raymond Harold Murray, MD, Donald Louis Musinski, PhD, James G. Musser, Wesley F. Muthig, Marvin Myers, Michael J. Nadeau, Edward M. Nadgorny, PhD, Robert F. Nagaj, Champa Nagappa, PhD, Ray Nalepka, Robert J. Nankee, Mark R. Napolitan, Terry T. Neering, Gary R. Neithammer, Jan G. Nelson, Keith Nelson, A. David Nesbitt, Carl C. Nesbitt, PhD, Martin Newcomb, PhD, Russell D. Newhouse, Joseph P. Newton, Jerome C. Neyer, Roberta J. Nichols, PhD, Kathleen M. Nicholson, Alfred Otto Niemi, PhD, Bob Niemi, James M. Nieters, Harmon S. Nine, PhD, Ivan Conrad Nordin, PhD, J. Nordin, Jim T. Nordlund, David C. Norton, Raymond Francis Novak, PhD, William R. Nummy, PhD, Richard R. Nunez, Richard Allen Nyquist, PhD, Le Roy T Oehler, Walter K. Ogorek, Stanley P. Oleksy, MD*, Earl D. Ollila, Duane A. Olson, Gary Orvis, George F. Osterhout, Gary Ovans, Thomas L. Paas, Jorge A. 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After all the celebrity propaganda on this subject matter for many years, it's nice to see the turnaround for facts and real scientific proofs. Great thread X, tip of the hat to Willy too for the great post, thanks.

[XLFD]

Don't leave off the biggest tip to Dr. Moore, who supplied the science and the bulk of the subject matter of the thread.  The only thing I did is introduce it, summarize it without changing the author's words (which is often difficult for other journalists, esp. local), and tie it in with the local efforts to tie our master plan into a model based on catastrophes of climate change, resilience, and sustainability.  All of which reduce basic property rights and civil rights of the individual, the backbone of our American society.  Call it socialism, communism or Agenda 21, they all have the same goal.

[XLFD]

Speaking of Moore, included herein is a link to videos of his conversation on the issue with Stewart Varney over the topic he spoke of.  Moore admits that before he moved on, the rest of the leadership of the environmentalist movement were non-scientists, with deep left political motives that hijacked the movement. 

So not only do we have a cropload of scientists that dispute man-made global warming (or plain global warming) on its merits, we have the foremost scientist of the environmental movement doing so.  Meanwhile, the cult of the climate changers remain relatively quiet while they excommunicate Moore from their dinner parties.

[easymoney]

My what a surprise, sarc.  Those who continue with saying WE are the cause of global warming,

global cooling, ah shit, Climate change, pretty well covers it, will continue to do so, or lose their government grants.

[Willy]

In Dr. Moore's own words.